hairdoubling and beardhair... my experience with dr nigams

[nameless]

[QUOTE=drnigams;156975]

This is my version...

1) Does Wesley has any white dots on beard and donor scalp.(not the white dots from his previous procedure of 2500 plus grafts of FUE from some other clinic)

2) you can see that recipient looks better... that is the frontal scalp and vertex look better proportionate to the number of grafts implanted at the recipient and it's visibilty post shedding at 4 months.
All the grafts implanted at the recipient are invitro bisected grafts,and he has not recieved his multiplied stemcells and dp culturte injection either..to support doubling...

3) Regarding donor scalp, I am sure the 450 bisected grafts would still be there or will be seen in coming months.
How come arashi know that the 450 bsected grafts implanted at the do not have not grown or will not grow.
For proof of success, you want shaven donor and mapping of area in the photos to confirm whether thee is regen or not...but to claim that his procedure has failed you do not need any such pics..!

4) In the beard, you can see some loss of density as on 4 months but not loss of density matching extraction of 631 grafts, you can enlarge and see if all the 631 extracted areas are seen without regen at the beard...


Dr. Nigam, why hasn't he received his recieved his multiplied stemcells and dp culturte injections yet? It seems to me that it might be better to add these treatments within a month after the donor-doubling follicle implants into the donor areas. I would think that it would be good to put the donor-doubling follicles in, let them sit in there a few weeks or 1 month at most and then inject the multiplied stemcells and dp culturte injection along with growth factors.

[Arashi]

That aside, even if you're right that hair-doubling is not workable there is still the issue that Dr. Nigam is also working with cells, growth factors, and other ideas.

My point is that Nigam is lying and cheating to get people to come to his clinic. If he just was doing FAIR business, like if he said "Ok, I'm experimenting, I don't know if it's going to work, I will perform this experimental procedure on anyone who wants to be a test patient free of charge", then it would be all good. But unfortunately the reality here is very different. He's commiting all kinds of frauds by selling people worthless therapies. I think we can all agree on that after the failed 15 graft test. And these people are not only paying for their surgery, they're paying for travel costs to India, hotel stay, accomodation and whatsmore. And that is my problem with Nigam.

To prevent that from happening, I made it my mission to tell people the truth about Nigam. And luckily I'm not alone here, there are a lot more people who getting more and more angry at Nigam for what he does.

[nameless]

My point is that Nigam is lying and cheating to get people to come to his clinic. If he just was doing FAIR business, like if he said "Ok, I'm experimenting, I don't know if it's going to work, I will perform this experimental procedure on anyone who wants to be a test patient free of charge", then it would be all good. But unfortunately the reality here is very different. He's commiting all kinds of frauds by selling people worthless therapies. I think we can all agree on that after the failed 15 graft test. And these people are not only paying for their surgery, they're paying for travel costs to India, hotel stay, accomodation and whatsmore. And that is my problem with Nigam.

To prevent that from happening, I made it my mission to tell people the truth about Nigam. And luckily I'm not alone here, there are a lot more people who getting more and more angry at Nigam for what he does.

1. I can see by all of Dr. Nigam's behavior that his techniques are still in the research phase. If I can see this then we should all be able to see this. That's why I have not flown to India YET. Dr. Nigam needs to improve the results and he's trying to do exactly that - that is why I call it research. He's still trying to perfect it. He is not saying that these techniques have reached heir zenith yet. If Dr. Nigam's research leads to a breakthrough then I will fly to India and have him perform the technique on my own head. I don't think it's producing sufficient results yet, and neither does he or else he would not be trying to improve upon it.

2. Yes, he's charging while he's doing these experiments but he doesn't have to do them at all. People want to try these techniques now so he offers these techniques now but we all know that he is still researching these techniques.

3. If you don't want to pay for an experiment then don't get one of these experiments. Nobody makes anyone do one of these experiments. He is not a big drug company that can afford massive clinical trials with huge test subjects. What is going on with him at this time is clearly a combination of research and letting people try the experimental treatments now while he is doing the research.

4. It is not proved that these experiments are worthless. I see thickening of hair in HM subject photos. I don't know what to make of donor-doubling because I'm not paying attention to donor-doubling. I'm interested in cell treatments and growth factors.

5. If Dr. Nigam does not charge for the experiments then the experiments won't get done. Do you want Dr. Nigam to push this envelope or not? Cell therapy advancements are moving as slow as molasses so if someone doesn't find a way to push the envelope faster then you are looking at perhaps 20 years before a major breakthrough cell-based treatment for hair loss comes to market. Do you understand that establishment hair researchers are just starting to tinker with hanging drop 3d spheroids in vitro whereas Nigam is already preparing to put them into people's scalps? Do you want this research sped up or not?

[Arashi]

Where did he say that his Hair doubling technique is just an experiment ? Do you want me to quote how many times he said it works and that he can bring back a NW7 to a NW2 ?? And he's not only tellilng people it works (which it clearly does not), he's also charging people full price (apart from some special cases). And all that is exactly my problem with Nigam.

I too want a cure and it's great if someone experiments, but NOT if he lies and cheats about it and steals people money by sellling them something he knows doesn't work.

[534623]

That's why I have not flown to India YET.

What? I thought you couldn't fly to India because you didn't get a passport because you don't know the name of your father nor the name of your mother?

Do you want Dr. Nigam to push this envelope or not?

Why don't you say "Nigam jumped the shark"?

[nameless]

Where did he say that his Hair doubling technique is just an experiment ? Do you want me to quote how many times he said it works and that he can bring back a NW7 to a NW2 ?? And he's not only tellilng people it works (which it clearly does not), he's also charging people full price (apart from some special cases). And all that is exactly my problem with Nigam.

I too want a cure and it's great if someone experiments, but NOT if he lies and cheats about it

I'm not paying attention to the hair doubling issue so I can't really speak to that issue. I'm not paying attention to anything about it. I want to see the cell techniques and growth factor techniques improve and I want it to happen fast. Dr. Nigam is trying to make that happen.

I will say one thing about hair doubling - it is basically a hair transplant and all HT doctors, 100% of them, have HT cases that did not work well, or even at all. So maybe it does work on some patients but not others and maybe the cases you're complaining about are the cases where it didn't work but maybe there are cases where it did work.

When you attack Dr. Nigam over hair doubling keep in mind that you are also damaging his credibility on the issue of HM and that might be a big BIG mistake. He is definitely trying to make the cell techniques work. Some highly credible people, Boldy for example, have been to his lab, seen it, worked in it, and they can see that he has all the equipment needed to do the cell-based experiments he claims to be doing.

Why would you wait 20 years for establishment researchers like Jahoda to get a major breakthrough HM to market instead of supporting Dr. Nigam's efforts to a major breakthrough HM to market in the next year or two. Yea I know that Aderans and Replicel are supposedly coming to market in less than 20 years but these two treatments are not major breakthroughs. They do not grow much hair. So there are going to have to be changes to their protocols and that means that first they have to work out the details of those changes in the test tubes and then they will do animal studies and then they will begin new human studies. Dr. Nigam is already dabbling with the ideas that these other researchers are merely planning for and doing test tube studies with.

[Arashi]

OBI's HM case failed. We have seen no credible proof of any succesful HM case. Again, I have nothing against a doctor who wants to experiment with cell technology. But if a doctor is selling therapies, like hair doubling, when he knows they won't work, then that's pretty much the definition of a charlatan. Can't call it anything else.

[nameless]

Where did he say that his Hair doubling technique is just an experiment ? Do you want me to quote how many times he said it works and that he can bring back a NW7 to a NW2 ?? And he's not only tellilng people it works (which it clearly does not), he's also charging people full price (apart from some special cases). And all that is exactly my problem with Nigam.

I too want a cure and it's great if someone experiments, but NOT if he lies and cheats about it and steals people money by sellling them something he knows doesn't work.

Give me a break! Your wrong. His HM photos show thickening.

[nameless]

OBI's HM case failed. We have seen no credible proof of any succesful HM case. Again, I have nothing against a doctor who wants to experiment with cell technology. But if a doctor is selling therapies, like hair doubling, when he knows they won't work, then that's pretty much the definition of a charlatan. Can't call it anything else.

You've seen credible evidence of successful case of HM but you just don't want to acknowledge it for some reason and I don't have a lot of not confidence in the judgment of a person who can't spell successful correctly even though the site has spell-check.

[locke999]

Why argue with jarjarbinx, he's delusional and will desperately cling onto his dr.nigam no matter what and ignore all logic and common sense.

[nameless]

Why argue with jarjarbinx, he's delusional and will desperately cling onto his dr.nigam no matter what and ignore all logic and common sense.

A better reason not to argue with me is that I have a valid point and if Dr. Nigam improves his cell-based treatments to the point of breakthrough success then you will be rushing to India to get experimental-grade HM therapy from him like everyone else here at this site and every other hair website.

[Arashi]

Why argue with jarjarbinx, he's delusional and will desperately cling onto his dr.nigam no matter what and ignore all logic and common sense.

Hehe yeah it's pointless. I'm going to give up. The only trustworthy HM case we've seen, that form a forum member called OBI, failed. Nigam even admitted it !! JarJarbinx doesn't want to see it and wants to live in his dreamworld where a weird wonder doctor from India who got caught lying and photoshopping tons of times and who isn't even a professor, possibly not even a real doctor, solved hairloss and succeeded where the real scientists all have failed. No point in arguing with this guy.

But my last remark is this: Dear JarJarbinx if you are convinced it works, then why aren't you on a plane to India ?

[Arashi]

Really, JarJarBinx. You're convinced those photoshopped and manipulated pictures are the real thing. Then what are you waiting for ? What more do you want ? I disagree with Ironman on a lot of things regarding Gho but at least he put his money where his mouth was and he went to Gho. More than a year with Nigam on these forums, he puts up tons of fake pictures which you believe to be real, then why don't you go to India right now ? I don't get it.

[nameless]

Really, JarJarBinx. You're convinced those photoshopped and manipulated pictures are the real thing. Then what are you waiting for ? What more do you want ? I disagree with Ironman on a lot of things regarding Gho but at least he put his money where his mouth was and he went to Gho. More than a year with Nigam on these forums, he puts up tons of fake pictures which you believe to be real, then why don't you go to India right now ? I don't get it.

First of all, as I've said before, I don't want donor-doubling. I'm waiting to see if Dr. Nigam can improve cell techniques/growth factor techniques to the point of heavy regrowth. Right now he's just getting modest regrowth. If he was regrowing a lot of hair I would buy my ticket in the next few months. I still need to get a passport but a passport costs a little bit of money and I don't want to spend the money unless/until Dr. Nigam improves the success rate and results of HM to the point that the treatment could be called a major breakthrough. He's working on it but he's not there yet.

[wesleybelgium]

ill will waith 2 months before concluding the results of nigams work

4 months is maybe to early to see results

so 6 months postup is better to see what hairgrowth maybe comes

so ill keep you posted about my 6 month mark into this hairtransplant....
with this timezone we will have a better picture