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Regarding GC: Again, 6000 HST grafts might equal 3000 FUE grafts. And regarding Joling, I think it's a case AGAINST hasci that he's not going back for more.
But you're right when you say it's all speculation. It's so frustrating that after 15 years of doing business, HASCI can't show us any hard evidence at all. We just have to take their word for it. And the fact that all the Dutch celebrities stopped after 3 HST's, that they even advice clients to do not more than 3 HST's and that they adviced me not to thicken up my temples (while they even said my donor was good), all make me believe that regrowth is (way) lower than 85%. We'll just have to wait till the end of year though, to get the first results from GC's documentation. -
True hair multiplication is 10-20 years away...
but Follica and RepliCel could make something better than that anyway.Leave a comment:
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I think only time will show how much regen there is actually. For now, if you want hair NOW gho is the best option. Also, as caddarik said once they come out with some true hair multiplication it wont matter if you have 99% of your donor left or 10% of donor left.Leave a comment:
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you do your own theories based on no real evidence either...
If they regen 80-85% of harvested hairs, the failed extractions don't matter that much, it's not killing the donor.
Recipient, hard to say... yield, hard to say!!
It's true that all in all, it's subject to controverse but I don't buy your calculations either, I repeat, you speculate...
For sure, we need something even better, and we would need bigger sessions and high safe and 100% guaranteed donor regen!!!
I d'ont really agree with didi, you seem to say that it's very easy to make false claims and build a business on that, and have it europeanly patented as well?
I am not like IM, I would never call you stupid, I understand that some shadows still need to be explained.
But AGAIN the two of you are avoiding my question?
What do you think of Joling case after two strips and 3000 grafts lost in the 90's
What do you think of GC going to 6000 and maybe more, do you really think you can reach this number, still have a good donor look with no regeneration and no multiplication?
Where do the hairs he has on top come from?
Take 6000 grafts in FUE and make a high resolution pic of the donor, and tell me if you still think Gho is way below 65% regen!!!Leave a comment:
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If you look at GC, other clinics adviced him a max of 2000 grafts. It seems HASCI is giving him 6000. But if we look at the 50 graft test, we saw that they selected mainly single hair grafts, where tons of 2's and even 3's were available. This also highly optically skews the result. An average graft has 2.5 hairs. If HASCI only transplants 1.3 on average, that means that 6000 HASCI grafts equals 3000 regular FUE grafts. HOWEVER this is stil 50% more than the 2000 others adviced, indiciating 50% regrowth. Also, it seems unlikely that GC had a HUGE amount of failed extractions, I think he'd have noticed. Also, it seems unlikely recipient failed for more than 10%. So a 40-45% regrowth figure also seems likely from that perspective. Hence my theory that regrowth will be in that ballpark (so in the middle of your and IM's theories).Leave a comment:
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Caddarick, failed extractions are a fact. During my surgery I counted about 12 extractions for every 20 drills. People here didn't believe me (except C5000, who reported the same thing). Final proof of the 'failed extraction' came with the two 50 grafts tests, where they had to drill more than 70 times to get 50 grafts.
We don't know how much this affects gc's results. Immediately after his last surgery he mentioned he didn't think there were many failed extractions. But lateron he said he might have been wrong. We just don't know, but in theory this could have heavily skewed his results (so true regen might be way lower than 65%). You said it's just speculation. That's correct. Well not that failed extractions do happen, that's a fact, but we can only speculate to which extend, same goes for recipient growth, we just don't know.Leave a comment:
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anyway, we will have GC who already gave us a lot in terms of documenting and I wish him the best for the next steps, I wish him a succes story, because, sure he will have earned it.
From what I saw in his donor, I'm sure he can go on... I'm curious about the outcome.
The rest of his head seems stable, he his not mbp, he is alopecia aerata, it's different stuff... but his slick area will soon be a thing from the past, + he discovered that shaved look suits him, only good vibes.
I'm confident in the way he documents things so as from next september, things will be interesting and if on top of that, he goes for another in June, we really have a big big case to observe.
I bet that even after his June procedure, he will be able to continue, carefully maybe, but I 'm sure he can go above 6000.
The e-mail received by my boss, the fact that I can not undergo on the 3rd september, I took it as a very upseting thing, but in the end, I will do my second procedure with an even higher trust in the technique, thanks to GC.
Nigam, pictures are not impressive at all, the least we can say... cheating and photoshop stuffs were almost funny, so gross... but his interventions and explanations are interesting, that's why i'll keep an eye on it.
Mousseigne and Mathieu, I trust they are very serious candidate, Mathieu is not too much showing, but he is right... his documentation was top quality (billions kilometers from Nigam).
So, let's say the next six months are interesting... I have euros sleeping at my bank, I should have more availabilities by 2014... I will enjoy the result of my first HST a bit longer then expected but it's fine, I kind of have my HL back, I can wait a bit.Leave a comment:
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what do you mean by "over and above the..."
Do you really guyz believe that such a huge business can be built on lies? and false claims?
Gho won his trials again competitors bashing him...
I might be naive, but for me, if they were even a little not sure of their technique, they would never ever claim so publicly that they multiply hairs and they have 80-85% regen, almost no loss in donor... I mean, it's big troubles if ever demonstrated that it's not true.
How come they are not sued by anyone? even from this forum... you guyz paid 10K, why don't you go on court if you are so sure they lied to you?
you can claim anything these days, just like all HT clinics claim 95%+ growth, its all marketing, nobody ever count hairs and doctors know it
when you take someone to court burden of proof is on you not doctor that you are suing...you need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that gho is not multiplying...you see see the problem?
no lawyers would be interested in case as you cant disprove hascis claims
you can test it, call couple of lawyers in your area and tell them about this situation, since you got 0 evidence that hasci cant multiply you cant do nothing and lawyer wouldn't be interested
I actually contacted couple of legal firms just for the sake of testing, in regards to lack of of growth or no growth from FUE..
nobody was interested, as you cant prove shit...unless you got butchered and its really obvious you got fckd up ...but poor yield/no growth..forget abt itLeave a comment:
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what do you mean by "over and above the..."
Do you really guyz believe that such a huge business can be built on lies? and false claims?
Gho won his trials again competitors bashing him...
I might be naive, but for me, if they were even a little not sure of their technique, they would never ever claim so publicly that they multiply hairs and they have 80-85% regen, almost no loss in donor... I mean, it's big troubles if ever demonstrated that it's not true.
How come they are not sued by anyone? even from this forum... you guyz paid 10K, why don't you go on court if you are so sure they lied to you?Leave a comment:
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Just to let you know, there are DEFINITELY failed extractions. For mine and Arashis HST procedures, there were FAR more drills counted than grafts extracted...
Also Arashi has emailed Hasci about this and they acknowledge failed extractions, but claim that the 85% regeneration figure is over and above the failed extractions (i.e. not including failed extractions where the hair comes back to the surface very quickly).Leave a comment:
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Yes he got two strips and sacrified 3000 grafts in the 90's.
Still he could do three HST with no problem, and I'm sure he can do another three.
Apart from that, I don't know if I have to take it as a sign, positive or negative, I'm rather frustrated, but my boss rejected my holiday request and I cannot make it for the 3 september in Maastricht.
So if someone is interested, they have some dates, I think 9 October as well.
I won't be able to make it for 2013 because of my job, maybe end of year but rather 2014.
This will force me to wait and then monitor other HST results, I'm a bit upset but, it might also bring me even more confidence to go next year.
GC is a succes so far, that's my opinion, if he receives another two procedures and from there can still go a bit... he is a revolution, whatever basher can say!!!
Nigam, for the moment I'm with no opinion, I see funny and ridiculous things and on the other hand the guy is more then very open, we cannot deny either.
So Arashi, I guess I'm forced to wait, and I will be with you to scrutinize things.
Last thing:
Maybe we should organise a meeting, as Gho patients not living so far from each others, even with GC...
and spend a day fun + check each other results.Leave a comment:
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they can not really have failed extractions with their material, it removes such a small part that it can not harm the hairs, only the telogens might have a problem to grow back.
The rest of what you say is speculation, I mean, about recipient...
They have a business, they are official, do you really think they can fool thousands of people and still be extending to Jakarta and maybe Singapour?
Isn't it jealousy and frustration that encourage people to bash?
You don't know, and you elude my own arguments when I keep on repeating that GC was a very specific case, and also it did not respect the 9 months, and still has a great donor...
Joling got 2 strips in the 90's and still got three procédures and donor looks great...
Doesn't that give a chance that the 80-85% is legit?
You also counted GC regen a month post op, not 9 months post op/Leave a comment:
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even at 0% regeneration it's still the best available today (unless nigam is real)...because it is scarless, to the human eye....however, this will be changed when the scarless pilofocus technique reaches the market in the next year or so..
I just hope Nigam is legit...if he is faking this all, he doesn't realize how many people's lives he is affecting...if he is legit, he will save us all and we will all be forever grateful to him.Leave a comment:
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' But what if it's about 0% ? And Dr Nigams turned out to be a scammer ?'
in that case we are all screwd...aderans, histogen and others are slow as fck
I can just imagine how thin HST looks in daylight, makes you wonder is it worthd spending all these money for such a poor coverage..35 grafts per cm2=50 hairs ...that's 25-30% original density, of course its gonna look shit and unnutural when compared to non balding area of scalpLeave a comment:
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