With HST, why can't you cover the whole head?

[Skywalker]

I have not been around these forums much in recent months. When did this become confirmed?

Basically it didn't, it's an opinion - we're not really sure about the detail regarding the quality of recipient growth rates and whether some follicles in the donor are thinner in the donor area after regrowth and to what extent etc.

You have to take into account who is "confirming" this

[534623]

I have not been around these forums much in recent months. When did this become confirmed?

Since "its certain" ....lol

[ccmethinning]

its certain 80% regeneration is not true

I have not been around these forums much in recent months. When did this become confirmed?

[didi]

You know, this whole thread, this whole discussion, this whole yes/no game ... This is EXACTLY why we HASCI finally needs to prove their technique and show us the results of the 50 graft test. It's a shame that after 5 weeks they still haven't even produced 1 single good pre-op photo.

dean saunders still looks like a bald man, ultra high hairline screams hair transplant!! really bad one. now he looks unutural , people who who see him for the first time would know he had something done

people underestimate importance of hairline something dr feriduni understands the best, its supposed to frame your face but in DSs case it does not. His first 2 procedures 3500 grafts should have made bigger impact on his look.


can we get Spencer to help us with this since HASCI is not cooperative and is using every trick possible confuse things and as result we have desperate patients forking out their life savings for something that is misrepresented. Spencer Kobren as consumer advocate its time to step in, people are getting sick of you beating around the bush,
its certain 80% regeneration is not true and proving gho wrong would have serious repercussions on his company, all these 6 000 hst patients would go back and ask for money back or free grafts..
enough to send them bankrupt

hasci is between hard and rock and no wonder they are happy with status quo and keeping low profile.

snakeoil salesman

[Arashi]

You know, this whole thread, this whole discussion, this whole yes/no game ... This is EXACTLY why we HASCI finally needs to prove their technique and show us the results of the 50 graft test. It's a shame that after 5 weeks they still haven't even produced 1 single good pre-op photo.

[JJJJrS]

Iron_Man, you jumped on Histogen for their bullshit photos, and you had every right to. But you know very well that the real regeneration rate for HST is not even close to 80% for the average patient, even though HASCI guarantees it in their contract. Why are you silent about that? Don't you think that's very deceptive?

[JJJJrS]

Wow - another idiot who can see in advance DS 5k grafts result. Yes, I'm talking about the singer Dean Saunders, who just recently got his 3rd HST procedure. And as an additional wow, they even know everything about his future intentions or his motives in general!!

Look at the pictures from the 3rd procedure. They didn't touch the hairline. Everyting was in the midscalp and crown. Does HST magically grow hair where none was implanted also?

[534623]

Someone like Dean Saunders, for example, with all the money and time, will still have an unnatural hairline that is far too high to frame his face after 5k grafts!

Wow - another idiot who can see in advance DS 5k grafts result. Yes, I'm talking about the singer Dean Saunders, who just recently got his 3rd HST procedure. And as an additional wow, they even know everything about his future intentions or his motives in general!!

[JJJJrS]

You would expect with 80% donor regeneration, like HASCI claims, that there would be at least some cases presented that go above and beyond what can be achieved with traditional hair transplants. That's definitely true for the donor, where we have already established that the scarring is absolutely minimal. But on the recipient side, that's simply not the case.

Someone like Dean Saunders, for example, with all the money and time, will still have an unnatural hairline that is far too high to frame his face after 5k grafts! His first two procedures produced minimal cosmetic improvement and they've already decided to stop after only 3 procedures. How can anyone call this a good investment or even close to a solution for hairloss?

There are clear limitations to the procedure, no matter how hard HASCI tries to hide behind their marketing and avoiding the key issues.

[534623]

IM, if your point is that quite a few donors can't handle a loss of 2000 grafts without visible thinning, yes, you're absolutely right. But on the other hand, the average donor for a 30-40 year old should be able to handle that without causing too much of a negative effect.

And? Are YOU one of them?

If so - what's your problem? Every single HST patient WILL notice himself, whether or not he is able to do another and another and another HST procedure after his 1st, his 2nd, his 3rd etc HST procedure.

Maybe the game is over in my own donor area after 4 or 5 HST procedures, but maybe YOUR donor area is still good enough for a 6th, or 7th or 8th HST procedure - I don't know.
That means, everybody will know this himself, when the game is over in his donor area. Every donor area has a different size, diffent amount of grafts etc etc and maybe not every HST procedure is as successful than the other, even for the same patient.

But one thing is absolutely certain:
Dean Saunders, for example, while still being able to shave his head down to the bone - Dr. Gho didn't buy all his brand new hairs in the supermarket, for DS's former slick bald head.

[Arashi]

Exactly. Because it's a very large donor area with >100 grafts per 1/cm².

Sarcasm off ...

IM, if your point is that quite a few donors can't handle a loss of 2000 grafts without visible thinning, yes, you're absolutely right. But on the other hand, the average donor for a 30-40 year old should be able to handle that without causing too much of a negative effect. At least that's my opinion, but to be honest, it's of course just an estimate and I have no real data to back it up of course However I've seen tons of FUE results where donor still looked great after losing 2k grafts. Hence that would mean that, at 80% regeneration, a lot of people should be able to get 10k grafts with HST without a lot of visible thinning in donor. We haven't seen 1 single photo of this though. That to me is suspicious.

[534623]

That's not an average donor by far.

Exactly. Because it's a very large donor area with >100 grafts per 1/cm².

Sarcasm off ...

[Arashi]

Here ...


... try to harvest 12,000 grafts.

And what part exactly of this (post), don't you understand??

Let me and others know ...

That's not an average donor by far.

[534623]

Sometimes I can't follow you IM, might be me though I really don't know what you're saying here. Are you saying that an average donor can't lose 2k grafts without having too much (optical) thinning impact ?

Here ...


... try to harvest 12,000 grafts.

And what part exactly of this (post), don't you understand??
Or what part of "donor area versus donor area" don't you understand??

Let me and others know ...

[Arashi]

I don't get why people get an HT and grow it out long and make it obviously look like shit... when it'd look a lot better shorter.

Hehe, +1 for this.