Gaz (Gc83uk) can you give us an update.

[cocacola]

Here are my 2 cents on caddarick situation.

First of all wet comparison is not the way to go.
Then, as IM posted, a pic of how grafts were placed is tremendously important. If you have used for example half of your grafts to lower hairline and the rest ALL OVER the scalp to increase density overall. Its normal that the difference may not be striking as you have a huge area to cover.

Also, how old are you and whats the nature of your hairloss agressivity. If your hairloss is very agressive you could have lost some hairs in the last 9 months.

To be honest, we have seen so far like at least 5+ forum hst results and this one is perhaps the one with the least impact. Once again take all the factors i mentionned into consideration.


On the other hand, if we dont get any progress on the 50 graft case, i am more tgat willing to call on spencer show to ask him to adress hasci directly to help us.

[caddarik79]

I will post a dry comparison this week, on this very post.
My hairloss was rather slow, and I will be 34 this year.

My dad was a NW5+ at my age, I was diagnosed NW3... so I hope I will have a different story, even if it's two grades on the NW scale.

I thought about sudden agressive hair loss or shock loss, but then, I really think I will wait another two or three years before doing anything else.
Need to think about the best strategy to adopt and it's kind of torturing... just because we don't know if something better is really coming next, and when...otherwise, I would bridge... but this new 3 HST max stuff is bothering.

[534623]

... but this new 3 HST max stuff is bothering.

And the whole drama just because Arashi didn't send Kristel questions with multiple-choice answers....

[caddarik79]

the ideal scenario I can imagine for shutting your mouth IM would be to hire a big tall fat german fellow, disguise him in a very competent HST doctor, send you there, shave your horseshoe and put your damn whole donor in your f*ckin' timewasting mouth!!!!


you are too selective in your answers, totally biased...

Arashi: hopefully, the coming weeks or months will help us to make the right second move.

I remember your prohairclinic timeline post op, is this confirmed by every doctors?

[Arashi]

Arashi: hopefully, the coming weeks or months will help us to make the right second move.

Definitely interesting times right now, with Dr Nigam's test and the one from Dr Mousseigne !

I remember your prohairclinic timeline post op, is this confirmed by every doctors?

I don't know but the table makes a lot of sense. But also do note that it are only averages and it even says on that same page that it can greatly differ between patients

[caddarik79]

That's exactly why clinics dont show wet post-op results. Best a HT can do is create the illusion of a scalp full of hair. That illusion is allergic to water though

Anyway, yes, would love to see a dry hair comparison too Caddarik !

Also caddarick, that left photo isn't pre-op is it ? I think I remember your hairline pre-op was much higher ?

Left is pre-op... right is 9 months post-op.

[Arashi]

Left is pre-op... right is 9 months post-op.

Your hairline and the part behind it surely is looking better (of course you should never judge a HT result wet though). However your crown is losing hair. You're pretty much in the same boat as I am ... I was also thinking about my 2nd HST and then focus on the crown area... But man I just don't know what to do now. Dr Nigams is claiming he solved the hairloss problem and claims he'll get 100% regeneration on Tom. I find that difficult to believe, but we'll (soon) see

[PayDay]

Guys , I told you so...some people are a bit to slow but truth is that HASCI cant prove their technique works as claimed and they doing everything to maintain status quo

they deliberately screwd up 1st test by extracting more grafts and making it hard to analize , we saw crazy number of failed extractions + all singles were in fact transected doubles


2nd test..looks like a failure..only 3 3hair grafts? rmbr when I said hasci cant extract anything more than 3 hair grafts...

now you know why gho doesn't let any experienced fue doc nowhere near hst?..cats like dr cole would call his bluff and things would get ugly for hasci


if spencer really cares about patients he should investigate gho, patients are getting mislead and paying lot of money, its fair to say they are being sca$%ed.
true nobody is getting butchered but it doesn't mean he multiplies hairs as he claims and peope are paying money believing he does. Id be impressed if he can prove 30% true regeneration.
That would mean most people would go back to hasci and demand $$$ back...you see the problem ..

Kobren should really put him to test and see what is going on with this gho.
spence could make him millionaire if he can prove it...but it wont happen as gho hates $$


we need to put preassure on spence, this gho discussion is getting BORING...JJJJrs you are the man to do it.

I watch these Gho threads with both interest and for a little comic in relief. These topics, and the Nigam topics epitomize the desperateness of all of us.

I watched both interviews with Spencer and Gho and do you know what I came away with? That Gho was not doing what was advertised. Spencer's questions were on point and Gho could not really answer the difficult ones. That's why Spencer is so invaluable to us . He gives us the opportunity to see with our own eyes and it is up to us to be willing to see that truth, not just what we want to see.

The most basic question that could not be answered logically was, where are all of the patents who had this miraculous procedure?

What's funny is no matter how Spencer really feels about HST, if Spencer doesn't allow Gho talk on this forum, he's accused of hiding the "truth" to keep all the evil HT docs in business. Then you have the didi camp that demand Spencer "expose" Gho for what he really is, otherwise Spencer is in Gho's pocket. LOL

You people are ridiculous. The truth is right before your eyes and you can't even see it. The 50 graft tests are bullshit.

Gho trains junior doctors, with no hair transplant experience to perform hair transplants on unsuspecting patents who are so desperate to get fixed with no scars and unlimited donor hair that they will trust anyone. LOL

Didn't you ever hear that if it's too good to be true, it probably is. Sure Gho can do a couple of modest transplants on someone and that look ok, but that's the trick. That's what gets the young and desperate. Then he just sits back and watches IM and all of you sell his services to the world. It's really brilliant!

What is the point of spending all of that money and time, only to end up shaving your head in the end and hoping that you won't have any visible scars?

If you guys want to have a a really good hair transplant without any visible scaring if you choose to shave your heads, don't have a hair transplant. How can any of you decide to have surgery based on IM's accounts of it or on a very few anonymous posters. Does that make sense?

Just my opinion on the matter.

[Arashi]

I watch these Gho threads with both interest and for a little comic in relief. These topics, and the Nigam topics epitomize the desperateness of all of us.

I watched both interviews with Spencer and Gho and do you know what I came away with? That Gho was not doing what was advertised. Spencer's questions were on point and Gho could not really answer the difficult ones. That's why Spencer is so invaluable to us . He gives us the opportunity to see with our own eyes and it is up to us to be willing to see that truth, not just what we want to see.

The most basic question that could not be answered logically was, where are all of the patents who had this miraculous procedure?

What's funny is no matter how Spencer really feels about HST, if Spencer doesn't allow Gho talk on this forum, he's accused of hiding the "truth" to keep all the evil HT docs in business. Then you have the didi camp that demand Spencer "expose" Gho for what he really is, otherwise Spencer is in Gho's pocket. LOL

You people are ridiculous. The truth is right before your eyes and you can't even see it. The 50 graft tests are bullshit.

Gho trains junior doctors, with no hair transplant experience to perform hair transplants on unsuspecting patents who are so desperate to get fixed with no scars and unlimited donor hair that they will trust anyone. LOL

Didn't you ever hear that if it's too good to be true, it probably is. Sure Gho can do a couple of modest transplants on someone and that look ok, but that's the trick. That's what gets the young and desperate. Then he just sits back and watches IM and all of you sell his services to the world. It's really brilliant!

What is the point of spending all of that money and time, only to end up shaving your head in the end and hoping that you won't have any visible scars?

If you guys want to have a a really good hair transplant without any visible scaring if you choose to shave your heads, don't have a hair transplant. How can any of you decide to have surgery based on IM's accounts of it or on a very few anonymous posters. Does that make sense?

Just my opinion on the matter.

You seem to forget:

1) Gho publicized scientific articles in the British Journal of Dermatology. This is a peer reviewed academic magazine. They won't publicize any BS. Articles have to adhere to the standards for scientific research. Having something publicized there is NOT a small thing. Besides more and more scientific articles, from other researchers, are appearing, underlining the same idea (that both parts of a split/wounded graft can regenerate)
2) We've all seen the amazing results on GC83UK. While other clinics adviced him he could only get 1500-2000 grafts, due to his bad donor, he already got 3 HST's and is going back for the 4th !
3) We saw >80 % regeneration on GC83UK. If we take into account that some grafts regenerated with less hair, the regeneration would be approx 65%. However this didn't take into account the 'failed extractions', so most likely the real generation rate is even somewhat lower. But GC83UK reported after his surgery that on average he heard them drill pretty much as many times as that they clicked for successfull extraction so it would be a good estimate to assume that regeneration is at least >50%
4) Dean Saunders went for 3 HST's, got almost 5k grafts but his donor still looks pretty good. Show me a 5k grafts FUE donor like that !
5) We've seen a lot of patient cases here and there's not ONE single patient who had any scarring.

However, that being said, we really need the 50 graft test to show us the real regeneration rate. But if you take all the cases into account plus the fact that HASCI says donor will start to get visibly thinner after 3 HST's, I think regeneration will turn out to be somewhere in the 50-60%. Which on the one hand is disappointing, since HST really is far from being a cure like that. But on the other hand it's still the best we've got, by far.

[cocacola]

Yeah payday really went over board with that post.

[LT56]

Hey Cadarik79,

Sorry my computer's having trouble with the website here, so I couldn't find a better way to contact you. I'm looking for a little advice from you: I'm going to see Gho in September for 1000-1200 grafts. I'm growing my hair long rather than doing the shaved head procedure. Any idea what time they usually finish? Would I be OK to take a night flight back to Canada right after, or would that be too soon? Any advice for the days following the procedure? I hope to take no more than a week off of work.

[PayDay]

You seem to forget:

1) Gho publicized scientific articles in the British Journal of Dermatology. This is a peer reviewed academic magazine. They won't publicize any BS. Articles have to adhere to the standards for scientific research. Having something publicized there is NOT a small thing. Besides more and more scientific articles, from other researchers, are appearing, underlining the same idea (that both parts of a split/wounded graft can regenerate)
2) We've all seen the amazing results on GC83UK. While other clinics adviced him he could only get 1500-2000 grafts, due to his bad donor, he already got 3 HST's and is going back for the 4th !
3) We saw >80 % regeneration on GC83UK. If we take into account that some grafts regenerated with less hair, the regeneration would be approx 65%. However this didn't take into account the 'failed extractions', so most likely the real generation rate is even somewhat lower. But GC83UK reported after his surgery that on average he heard them drill pretty much as many times as that they clicked for successfull extraction so it would be a good estimate to assume that regeneration is at least >50%
4) Dean Saunders went for 3 HST's, got almost 5k grafts but his donor still looks pretty good. Show me a 5k grafts FUE donor like that !
5) We've seen a lot of patient cases here and there's not ONE single patient who had any scarring.

However, that being said, we really need the 50 graft test to show us the real regeneration rate. But if you take all the cases into account plus the fact that HASCI says donor will start to get visibly thinner after 3 HST's, I think regeneration will turn out to be somewhere in the 50-60%. Which on the one hand is disappointing, since HST really is far from being a cure like that. But on the other hand it's still the best we've got, by far.

Some Journals are more difficult to be published in then others. This is not to stay that Gho being published is not an accomplishment, because it is. But from what I understand, this particular journal publishes even small experimental papers that are of particular interest to the publishing committee as well as clinical research papers.

Remember these Journals are run as a business, the publishers have to keep the "book" full and interesting every month in order to sell the journals. The BJD is published by Wiley, They also charge fee for online viewing. That's just the way it works.

Being published in a medical journal does not always equate to success in clinical practice. That's pretty common knowledge I would think, and I am sure that most scientists and researches would agree. Just because the concept was published and their was some success with that concept does not mean that the results are successful across the board, but as they say, the proof is in the pudding.


If you believe Gho is succeeding to the level that he claims and some of the forums posters are saying, and this is the way you want to go, then by all means go for it. We all have our own opinions and that's fine.

[caddarik79]

Hey Cadarik79,

Sorry my computer's having trouble with the website here, so I couldn't find a better way to contact you. I'm looking for a little advice from you: I'm going to see Gho in September for 1000-1200 grafts. I'm growing my hair long rather than doing the shaved head procedure. Any idea what time they usually finish? Would I be OK to take a night flight back to Canada right after, or would that be too soon? Any advice for the days following the procedure? I hope to take no more than a week off of work.

ok, I did it shaved head, so I don't know about your procedure...

Mine took the entire day, but it was a 1800 grafts, yours should be shorter.
it's absolutely not painful, not one single minute of pain... you will feel a bit weird with the adrenaline.

They are very nice people, very friendly...
I did not stay overnight after the procedure, a nice friend of me came to pic me up and bring me back 300 km from there.

I guess you can probably fly the same evening, but you can't wear headgear for four days, same for washing, I did not wash for three or four days... crusts were all gone at day 9.

growth started after four months...

[Phatalis]

ok, I did it shaved head, so I don't know about your procedure...

Mine took the entire day, but it was a 1800 grafts, yours should be shorter.
it's absolutely not painful, not one single minute of pain... you will feel a bit weird with the adrenaline.

They are very nice people, very friendly...
I did not stay overnight after the procedure, a nice friend of me came to pic me up and bring me back 300 km from there.

I guess you can probably fly the same evening, but you can't wear headgear for four days, same for washing, I did not wash for three or four days... crusts were all gone at day 9.

growth started after four months...

Ugh that seems rather embarassing. To walk around with obvious shit going on on your head. haha

sucks, I wish there was a way to hide it for a while until things got relatively normal.

[FearTheLoss]

Ugh that seems rather embarassing. To walk around with obvious shit going on on your head. haha

sucks, I wish there was a way to hide it for a while until things got relatively normal.

There is, depending on your nw level, keep your hair grown out long.