Gaz (Gc83uk) can you give us an update.

[Arashi]

agree, I would trust HASCI more, they have clients and money...Gho goes on on research... they are professional and nice...and friendly...
just, communication and results are not so clear...Lorenzo has thousands of video on Youtube... why not Gho, why would the patients of Lorenzo be a type that agree on showing results and not Gho's patients?


Joling stays a cool reference, but would need the Lorenzo standard way of video making to be confirmed he is not using concealar or whatever...

Best scenario, Gho improves the technique to the point we have no doubts anymore and only need money...

Nigam, I will follow because the man puts energy and did not disappear after one month... but I wait...

second HST is a dilemma in the actual atmosphere and with the infos we got...

I guess if HASCI would put in some more effort to convince us (like releasing more photo's regarding the 50 graft test and showing us pictures of patients who had 10k+ grafts) I'd feel a lot better. But either way, it's still a waiting game. Waiting till we have the final results of the 50 grafts test and the Nigam's procedure. Until then there's not much we can do anyway, other than trying not to worry too much about our hair

[caddarik79]

exactly... and I'm curious about my 12 months,

will put the 9 months in the coming days

[cocacola]

Caddarik u said urself : "I have kind of a frame now, maybe I'm reversed to where I was three years or four years ago..."

How is that disappointing? As in im not nw1 right away after 1800 grafts?

Now gcuk analysys did show regeneration. Do we all agree on that?

Now whatever it is 60% or 80% its still a huge improvement compared to normal fue/fut. When things are out of your control you gotta take the optimal route. In our case i strongly believe hst is the optimal route right now. It may not be perfect or "the cure" but its better than "butchering golden standard" or castrating pills.

[Arashi]

its still a huge improvement compared to normal fue/fut. When things are out of your control you gotta take the optimal route. In our case i strongly believe hst is the optimal route right now. It may not be perfect or "the cure" but its better than "butchering golden standard" or castrating pills.

Oh for sure. Probably most would agree that HST is currently the best thing we have. But still, it kind of sucks when you have the money but can't do it as much as you would like, because of noticeable donor thinning after X (=3?) treatments. But again, we'd have to wait for more info on that.

[JJJJrS]

The biggest shock for me was the pictures we got from the first, failed 50 graft test with james bold.

The amount of failed extractions and split grafts was huge. Nearly every 1-hair follicular unit was derived from a split follicular unit. All of this totally skews the "actual" regeneration rate. So from gc's and Iron_Man's pictures we see a regeneration rate for the follicular units of 70-85%. If we look at the regeneration rate for each individual hair, then it drops to something like ~60%. But, that doesn't take into account the failed extractions and split hair grafts. So my conclusion, is that the regeneration rate is much lower than that.

Now from that same failed test and the newest one, we see a big difficulty extracting 3-hair grafts. All of this will lead to thinner results in the recipient.

Now, I'm hoping that this new 50 graft test will clear some things up but things make sense as they are. It would explain why HASCI has such difficulties proving their claims and why we haven't see any major transformations from them. Unfortunately, in it's current form, I don't think HST is the solution.

[Arashi]

The biggest shock for me was the pictures we got from the first, failed 50 graft test with james bold.

The amount of failed extractions and split grafts was huge. Nearly every 1-hair follicular unit was derived from a split follicular unit. All of this totally skews the "actual" regeneration rate. So from gc's and Iron_Man's pictures we see a regeneration rate for the follicular units of 70-85%. If we look at the regeneration rate for each individual hair, then it drops to something like ~60%. But, that doesn't take into account the failed extractions and split hair grafts. So my conclusion, is that the regeneration rate is much lower than that.

Now from that same failed test and the newest one, we see a big difficulty extracting 3-hair grafts. All of this will lead to thinner results in the recipient.

Now, I'm hoping that this new 50 graft test will clear some things up but things make sense as they are. It would explain why HASCI has such difficulties proving their claims and why we haven't see any major transformations from them. Unfortunately, in it's current form, I don't think HST is the solution.

You know JJJJrS, at this point is all speculation but it would indeed make sense that the true regeneration is (much) lower than previously believed. That would also indeed explain why they suggest a max of 3 treatments and why we haven't seen mindblowing results from people with money, like the celebrities they've treated. Not even one !

Until we get more info from HASCI about it, I'm holding off my next surgery for sure. I don't want to risk thinning my donor. I'd rather preserve it for more urgent cases in the future than adding density to my temples and/or even lowering my hairline slightly more. Especially now Histogen Phase I/II results sucked hard and hope of a near future cure has dimmed even more.

[cocacola]

I think at this point what we should do is to collectively ask Spencer to adress hasci. As in many of forum members ( posters and readers) are looking for more detailed answer on donor regeneration, max procedures and overall viability of this technique. If spencer truly cares, should not be a big problem for him. Then, if gho ignores that, then we can start thinking something is fishy around here.

[JJJJrS]

You know JJJJrS, at this point is all speculation but it would indeed make sense that the true regeneration is (much) lower than previously believed. That would also indeed explain why they suggest a max of 3 treatments and why we haven't seen mindblowing results from people with money, like the celebrities they've treated. Not even one !

Until we get more info from HASCI about it, I'm holding off my next surgery for sure. I don't want to risk thinning my donor. I'd rather preserve it for more urgent cases in the future than adding density to my temples and/or even lowering my hairline slightly more. Especially now Histogen Phase I/II results sucked hard and hope of a near future cure has dimmed even more.

It also might explain why Gho is so hesitant to share his technique, maybe out of fear of scrutiny.

I agree with you about waiting until we get more information, like the latest 50 graft test, which is why I've been relatively quiet about my concerns. But at this point, I'm not sure if HASCI is even interested in proving their technique. Their latest picture was a slap in the face to customers like you, who payed a lot of money for their procedures, and just want the peace of mind to know that their procedure works.

We gave them crystal-clear, detailed instructions, to preform a relatively simple procedure that if proven, would be a big boost to their own business and reputation. Each and every time they manage to **** it up, and the same bullshit discussions get dragged on for years.

[Arashi]

It also might explain why Gho is so hesitant to share his technique, maybe out of fear of scrutiny.

I agree with you about waiting until we get more information, like the latest 50 graft test, which is why I've been relatively quiet about my concerns. But at this point, I'm not sure if HASCI is even interested in proving their technique. Their latest picture was a slap in the face to customers like you, who payed a lot of money for their procedures, and just want the peace of mind to know that their procedure works.

We gave them crystal-clear, detailed instructions, to preform a relatively simple procedure that if proven, would be a big boost to their own business and reputation. Each and every time they manage to **** it up, and the same bullshit discussions get dragged on for years.

Well I still have hope they shot microscopic pictures, which in combination with the tattoo's would be just perfect. But what bothers me a lot is their lack of communication. How long is it now since they've performed the test ? I guess more than 1 month ? And we still haven't see even 1 single good pre-op photo. Nor have we gotten answers to our questions regarding the max 3 procedures. I'm quite disappointed in the way they communicate.

[Arashi]

I just looked it up, the 50 graft test was performed 24th april. So more than 5 weeks ago. And we still know nothing, haven't gotten any good pre-op photo at all. It's not making HASCI look good, that's for sure. They've been completely silent in the past and now they have a chance of bettering their lives and they still can't somehow seem to answer our questions and/or communicate in a normal timely manner. It's frustrating the least.

I mean, they don't need to answer us the next day, not even the next week, but 5 weeks without even 1 good pre-op photo ?

[JJJJrS]

Well I still have hope they shot microscopic pictures, which in combination with the tattoo's would be just perfect. But what bothers me a lot is their lack of communication. How long is it now since they've performed the test ? I guess more than 1 month ? And we still haven't see even 1 single good pre-op photo. Nor have we gotten answers to our questions regarding the max 3 procedures. I'm quite disappointed in the way they communicate.

I'm sure they're going to review everything on their own first and if they don't see good results, they simply won't share them and will ignore you. Or instead, send you some blurry photos, like they did, that will make the analysis impossible.

I'm frustrated but I hope you're right, and we get some nice photos eventually.

[Arashi]

I'm sure they're going to review everything on their own first and if they don't see good results, they simply won't share them and will ignore you. Or instead, send you some blurry photos, like they did, that will make the analysis impossible.

I'm frustrated but I hope you're right, and we get some nice photos eventually.

You know, I've always given HASCI the benefit of the doubt but at this point I'm starting to think you're right. It would make just NO SENSE at all that this would be the best pre-op photo they have. They knew how important it was and they've shot perfect post-op photo's ...

And then, why are there only 3 3 hair grafts in the petridish ? They used to blame it on JamesBald's thick hair, but this new guy has thin hair, probably even below average. And he has enough 3 hair grafts. So what other conclusion is there to draw that they simply can't do a lot of 3 hair grafts in general ? And again, where are the celebs that have gotten 10k+ grafts ? And why do they advise people to not do more than 3 HST's ? It seems it's all becoming 1 big desillusion... Yeah of course, even if regeneration was 30%, it would still be the best thing out there AND scarless. But it would also be the implosion of a dream many of us had ...

Anyway let's hope results will be (much) better than that and that we'll get some good pictures, but man, it all doesn't look too good if you ask me.

[cocacola]

well this is why you guys should read my post above, we need legit answers from them. They are publicly accountable for their marketing claims. We should collectively ask Spencer to help us get more answers from hasci. If they ignore spencer, there you go you have your answer.

[JJJJrS]

You know, I've always given HASCI the benefit of the doubt but at this point I'm starting to think you're right. It would make just NO SENSE at all that this would be the best pre-op photo they have. They knew how important it was and they've shot perfect post-op photo's ...

And then, why are there only 3 3 hair grafts in the petridish ? They used to blame it on JamesBald's thick hair, but this new guy has thin hair, probably even below average. And he has enough 3 hair grafts. So what other conclusion is there to draw that they simply can't do a lot of 3 hair grafts in general ? And again, where are the celebs that have gotten 10k+ grafts ? And why do they advise people to not do more than 3 HST's ? It seems it's all becoming 1 big desillusion...

The news about Dean Saunders was also quite a revelation for me. Here you have a celebrity with a lot of money, who's also at an advanced stage of hairloss, and you decide to end things after 3 procedures and leave him no better off than when he started. And this is somehow supposed to be a possible cure if you have enough time and money? What kind of message does that send to future patients... There's so many other questions like that, that don't add up at all.

For now, I'll reserve my judgement until we get more information. I would still like to see the results of this 50 graft test if an analysis is possible. But I must admit, I'm beginning to lose my faith in them.

[Arashi]

The news about Dean Saunders was also quite a revelation for me. Here you have a celebrity with a lot of money, who's also at an advanced stage of hairloss, and you decide to end things after 3 procedures and leave him no better off than when he started. And this is somehow supposed to be a possible cure if you have enough time and money? What kind of message does that send to future patients... There's so many other questions like that, that don't add up at all.

For now, I'll reserve my judgement until we get more information. I would still like to see the results of this 50 graft test if an analysis is possible. But I must admit, I'm beginning to lose my faith in them.

The ONLY thing is, that if they've been lying about their regrowth figures ... then why did they accept the 50 graft test ? They must have had quite some confidence. And people who have met Kristel will all agree that she's really not some con-type figure. She's a real doctor, very intelligent and seems very trustworthy and serious about everything. Absolutely not the 'shady car salesman' type of person, totally the contrary. So those things do give me some hope ...

I see the exact same pattern regarding Dr Nigams. So many things don't add up (like how can he indicate 80-90% regrowth when he's only been experimenting with it for a few months and thus can't have seen final results in ANY patient just yet). But then again, he went ahead with Tom's case, documenting it in an outstanding way so he must have great confidence in the results.

So yeah I guess we should just wait. But man it's really really frustrating, all this lack of communication and information.