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For your information, I did a slight miscount in the "immediately post-op" message (http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpos...13&postcount=4); I sent the corrected draft to the admin (through the "contact us" form) ... if no action is taken, I'll re-post the right data in another message, but that may become a little confusing ... sorry for the inconvenience.
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Mathieu,
Photos like these are all well and good, but they always make me wonder... what about the recipient? Are we sure that all of the transplanted hairs grew?Comment
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So Mathieu, in theory with this technique, you could harvest every hair in the donor section (at least once maybe more) to give even a nw6 or nw7 a full head of hair? By full head of hair I mean nw2 with full dense coverage...Comment
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Youngin, on this very patient, it's too early yet to comment potential regrowth on the recipient area.
Our current goal is to gather as many proof as possible of the whole process. For now, I can state that we achieve steady donor regeneration... but is it followed by steady recipient regrowth? Honestly, I don't know with certainty yet, and consequently I'd rather remain cautious. It will require several study cases to be assertive on this topic.
FearTheLoss, repeated harvesting of the same FU is an issue to cover with further testing. In fact, Dr Mousseigne did try to remove twice the same FU on a patient, after the first session was successful; he only waited a short lapse of time before he reiterated the harvesting, and he noticed then that no donor regeneration had occured the second time around. It will be interesting to experiment different lapses of time, in order to identify the shortest time interval possible between 2 harvestings of the same FU, while still achieving regeneration.
As for turning a slick Norwood 6-7 into a dense Norwood 2, I guess that's a possibility to consider if the patient has the right donor, favourable hair characteristics, and the motivation to undergo several surgeries.Comment
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And hear you have it - the next step forward in hair transplantation before our very eyes, Dr Gho, Dr Nigam and now this, it's clear this will become the new standard. You cant exactly refute those pictures no matter how hard you try... I just wonder why Spencer never mentions these types of procedures on his show.
All we need to see now is recipient growth.Comment
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Mathieu
Yes, I have read every one of Dr. Gho's documents on his HST procedure, that also obtains donor regeneration, and he stated that if a fu that just regenerated is harvested again in a short period of time that it will not regenerate again, therefore, he makes patients wait 9 months in between each procedure as a safe zone. Now, I'm sure people with quicker healing ability could have it harvested sooner, but 9 months seems to be what he has found as the safe time period for everyone.
Anyway, I'm rooting for you guys as you take the world of hair transplantation surgery to the next level. Exciting times!Comment
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gc83uk, you're assuming right
If you look closely at the FU #85 in the pre-op picture, you'll see that it is very compact when exiting the skin. As mentioned in my first post, this patient has under-average hair caliber. The combination of these 2 aspects made the extraction technically possible.
On the other hand, if you look at the other 4 hairs FU (#7), the smaller punch only allowed to extract 3 hairs out of 4, mainly due to the FU's wider layout.
The FUE-L technique requires a lot of dexterity, and you can bet that many doctors will be too lazy & too untalented to learn it... just as the vast majority of them already skipped the standard follicular unit transplantation's shift.
However I do believe that good FUE specialists should be able to adapt quickly. Without revealing too much, I intend to create connections with other experimented FUE docs, unlike Dr Gho's exclusive approach. There are too many patients who should benefit from this progress, so we need more than 2 or 3 doctors mastering the procedure worlwide. Oh, and this is my last hint of the day: american patients can start to rejoice. If everything goes as anticipated, they won't be left apart.
And, sorry, but I have no picture of a graft in a petri dish to show here.Comment
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FearTheLoss, thanks for the heads-up. I'm familiar too with Dr Gho's literature, so I was aware of this 8-9 months recommended interval. We'll see if we can reduce it or bypass it with strategic donor management.
Being myself a diffuse Norwood 6 with below-average density in the donor (courtesy of two past HTs, 1 obsolete strip procedure in 2006, and 1 FUE in 2009), you can bet that I'm all about reducing downtimes inbetween procedures. As long as pushing the envelope means no unconsidered risk or harm for the patient, I think this is the way to go.Comment
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I think the fact that this is the most popular hair loss forum on the internet and Spencer encourages these donor regeneration discussions on BTT, speaks for itself.
Spencer talked about this stuff last night on the show and I personally wouldn't put too much faith in Nigam, I really like that Mathieu is posting clinical images from the clinic as opposed to a bunch on anonymous forum guys trying to prove Gho's concept for him with their own pictures or trying to organize 50 graft tests.
I think this is a big step. We do need to see recipient pictures in order to get the full picture of results though, but this is a good start I think.
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Yesterday I did my bi-monthly tour of all international forums: italian, spanish, polish, swedish, flamish, you name it, I checked all of them. And guess what? There's ALWAYS one local member who reads BTT's forums.
You know what's funny? I saw swedish/polish/italian baldies mentioning IronMan and his posts (for the better or for the worse, depending on the poster's sensibility)
this man is an international star!
I should announce it in a separate thread, but Dr Mousseigne is willing to do a FUE-L test, free of charge, on a patient based in London or the surroundings (any location allowing the patient to attend frequent check-ups). We don't want to force anyone to publish his testimony online, so he may just let us scientifically document his progress once the test procedure is done, and I will pass on the infos here. Any candidate can contact Dr Mousseigne himself at the following address: drbruno@mousseigne.com ... obviously, it could be interesting to treat an active BTT member, who would then honestly reports his experience here... but that's not an obligation either.Spencer talked about this stuff last night on the show and I personally wouldn't put too much faith in Nigam, I really like that Mathieu is posting clinical images from the clinic as opposed to a bunch on anonymous forum guys trying to prove Gho's concept for him with their own pictures or trying to organize 50 graft tests. I think this is a big step. We do need to see recipient pictures in order to get the full picture of results though, but this is a good start I think.Comment
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I agree it is all very exciting and great news.
The only real big question that will come after your proofs and documented cases will be the prices and its fairness.
But I'm glad competition has started...sincerely.
What are american and belgian doctors waiting for?Comment
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Histogen.Finally, we demonstrate that epidermal Wnt ligands are critical for adult wound-induced de novo hair formation.Comment
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American doctors will keep denying it's possible for as long as they can so they can continue making money giving people 32cm scar lines from ear to ear and minimal coverage....they will do this until the general population is smart enough to do their research and fly overseas to Gho or MousseigneComment
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Yes exactly, and if you can recall, that took a hell of a long time when Dr Woods came up with his technique.
Its a shame because the majority of customers out there are ACTUALLY still getting hair transplants after seeing an advertisement online (i.e no research/no forums etc).
Crazy!Comment
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yes that's a shame, what could we do to avoid that, we should make it more public... Gho and Mousseigne and stem cells transplantation in general!!!
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