Dr. Gho’s missing 3-hair grafts proof …

[didi]

I hope these 1-hair follicular units turn into 2-hair units...

At this point in time, these are the facts that we have, primarily from gc's and other patients' procedures:

• HASCI targets, almost exclusively, multi-hair follicular units for extraction. The great majority of these are 2-hair and 3-hair units from my observations.
• Most patients report a large number of 1-hair units in the recipient, occasionally some 2-hair units, very rarely 3-hair units.
• The majority of extracted follicular units in the donor either do not regenerate, or regenerate with less hairs (~60%)
• Based on the 50 graft test procedures, we also know that there are a huge number of failed extractions and transections.

Combine this with HASCI's inability to provide evidence for their procedure, and I think the facts speak for themselves.

If you want a visibly scarless procedure based on splitting follicular units, than go for an HST. But don't expect any hair multiplication.

HST simply lost its momentum, there was lot of hype and wishful thinking but at the end theres just not much left to talk about.

Agree with JJJJRs,
HM/stem cell transplanie sounds more intriguing and marketable than splitting FUs

snake oil salesman??

[gc83uk]

HST simply lost its momentum, there was lot of hype and wishful thinking but at the end theres just not much left to talk about.

Agree with JJJJRs,
HM/stem cell transplanie sounds more intriguing and marketable than splitting FUs

snake oil salesman??

Good luck with getting your Stem Cell Transplant. What's the life expectancy in Papua New Guinea now, about 62 isn't it? Your hero Dr Nigam might have mastered photoshop by then.

[clarence]

You'll be expected to show some proof for your own claims, too, didi... Now is your chance, unless you prefer all of us to reason in this way, that lack of proof for regeneration means there is no regeneration.

[didi]

You'll be expected to show some proof for your own claims, too, didi... Now is your chance, unless you prefer all of us to reason in this way, that lack of proof for regeneration means there is no regeneration.

I like your logic, burden of proof is on me not dr who claims HM??


GC

BTW, Im calling dr nigam out as well, he hasn't delivered yet


believe what you want to believe but IMO you got very expensive FUE cleverly marketed as HM/stem cell transplant

The reason why lawsuit failed is bc burden of proof shifted from gho(defendant) to these other clinics(plaintiff) who had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that there was no regeneration

Knowing nature of HTs its mission impossible.

Gc, to test this go to any lawyer and tell em you had HST but you are convinced there was no regeneration whatsoever and that you wanna sue hasci?
Now, Gho can just sit back and do/prove nothing...its you who needs to prove no regen....of course you would never get to that stage as no lawyer would take on the case.

Bottom line is you cant successfully sue any HT clinic unless you got butchered, as for poor growth...forget about it..yield can be 40% and you cant do nothing..rmbr its always your bad hair characteristics, calibre, color,scalp/hair ratio

[cocacola]

I think one thing that EVERYONE should keep in mind with ht's and donor regen. Is that its either possible to x degree either there is no regen at all.

Now, if one doc can achieve it, then others can too. If one cant achieve it, others will not be able to either.

That said, if you believe donor regen is not possible with gho, then you also should believe its not possible with mousseigne, nigam or wesley and vice versa. Because with a ht's there is a limit of differentiation that you can have between docs. Its not the a-cell, prp's, crapomagics that will change that. Its either possible by nature of the human body, either not.

[gc83uk]

I like your logic, burden of proof is on me not dr who claims HM??


GC

BTW, Im calling dr nigam out as well, he hasn't delivered yet


believe what you want to believe but IMO you got very expensive FUE cleverly marketed as HM/stem cell transplant

The reason why lawsuit failed is bc burden of proof shifted from gho(defendant) to these other clinics(plaintiff) who had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that there was no regeneration

Knowing nature of HTs its mission impossible.

Gc, to test this go to any lawyer and tell em you had HST but you are convinced there was no regeneration whatsoever and that you wanna sue hasci?
Now, Gho can just sit back and do/prove nothing...its you who needs to prove no regen....of course you would never get to that stage as no lawyer would take on the case.

Bottom line is you cant successfully sue any HT clinic unless you got butchered, as for poor growth...forget about it..yield can be 40% and you cant do nothing..rmbr its always your bad hair characteristics, calibre, color,scalp/hair ratio

Money and Donor Regrowth aside for a moment, can you tell me where I should have gone for scarless FUE?

This is the very least I have gained already. You surely have to admit that? If you don't then you're just hating because it's so expensive.

I am not suitable for HT's as some clinics have told me. A procedure which is too evasive could easily start off my Alopecia again. When I heard this way back I was devastated, you seen how bad I looked before HST!

I was looking for the following:

1) A procedure where if my HT fails or causes the disease to start up again, then I can just shave my head without 1 million white dots on my head, preferably no sign of even having a hair transplant [✔]

2) A procedure which was so minimally evasive because of the tiny needles that the likelihood of the disease flaring up was reduced. [✔]

3) Donor regrowth or partial donor regrowth, not essential, but a huge bonus [✔]

4) Somewhere I can have the procedure done in London [✔]

5) Money didn't even come into with me, but the facts are it's no more expensive than e.g Dr. Christian Bisanga or Dr Feriduni who I considered at the time, that was a bonus. I won't lie, if it was £20,000 I still might have paid it, desperation makes you do these things. [✔]

Now tell me who else on this entire planet has been able to offer me all of the above?

Not everything is so Black and White pal.

[caddarik79]

Money and Donor Regrowth aside for a moment, can you tell me where I should have gone for scarless FUE?

This is the very least I have gained already. You surely have to admit that? If you don't then you're just hating because it's so expensive.

I am not suitable for HT's as some clinics have told me. A procedure which is too evasive could easily start off my Alopecia again. When I heard this way back I was devastated, you seen how bad I looked before HST!

I was looking for the following:

1) A procedure where if my HT fails or causes the disease to start up again, then I can just shave my head without 1 million white dots on my head, preferably no sign of even having a hair transplant [✔]

2) A procedure which was so minimally evasive because of the tiny needles that the likelihood of the disease flaring up was reduced. [✔]

3) Donor regrowth or partial donor regrowth, not essential, but a huge bonus [✔]

4) Somewhere I can have the procedure done in London [✔]

5) Money didn't even come into with me, but the facts are it's no more expensive than e.g Dr. Christian Bisanga or Dr Feriduni who I considered at the time, that was a bonus. I won't lie, if it was £20,000 I still might have paid it, desperation makes you do these things. [✔]

Now tell me who else on this entire planet has been able to offer me all of the above?

Not everything is so Black and White pal.

I think at this level, didi and some others, are too confident in their own assumptions, like no regen, blabla, it's funny, it's a crescendo based on nothing.

As you said, all what you mentioned is the minimum.

I'm sure you had numerous regen, I'm sure because I've seen your donor pic, and it looks really great for someone receiving that amount of grafts.

Bashing Gho became a reflex here, let's give it more time and see your documentation on next level... but you will be a full head for your wedding on 2014, I'm sure of it...

[Arashi]

I think at this level, didi and some others, are too confident in their own assumptions, like no regen, blabla, it's funny, it's a crescendo based on nothing.

As you said, all what you mentioned is the minimum.

I'm sure you had numerous regen, I'm sure because I've seen your donor pic, and it looks really great for someone receiving that amount of grafts.

Bashing Gho became a reflex here, let's give it more time and see your documentation on next level... but you will be a full head for your wedding on 2014, I'm sure of it...

Agreed. Didi always speaks like he already KNOWS there is no regrowth. Fact is that we simply don't know because we never have monitored even one patient case in the right way. Luckily that's going to change next month with GC's next procedure. It's going to be a hell of a job to monitor all of the grafts, but I'm willing to chip in great amount of time to help out. We finally need to get this sorted out.

Furthermore I agree with GC's points above. Currently there's no other procedure out there that's scarless and just that mere fact alone made me choose for Gho and I would do it again if I could turn back time. About future follow up treatments: don't know about that yet, that will really depend on GC's outcome.

[clarence]

I like your logic, burden of proof is on me not dr who claims HM??


GC

BTW, Im calling dr nigam out as well, he hasn't delivered yet


believe what you want to believe but IMO you got very expensive FUE cleverly marketed as HM/stem cell transplant

The reason why lawsuit failed is bc burden of proof shifted from gho(defendant) to these other clinics(plaintiff) who had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that there was no regeneration

Knowing nature of HTs its mission impossible.

Gc, to test this go to any lawyer and tell em you had HST but you are convinced there was no regeneration whatsoever and that you wanna sue hasci?
Now, Gho can just sit back and do/prove nothing...its you who needs to prove no regen....of course you would never get to that stage as no lawyer would take on the case.

Bottom line is you cant successfully sue any HT clinic unless you got butchered, as for poor growth...forget about it..yield can be 40% and you cant do nothing..rmbr its always your bad hair characteristics, calibre, color,scalp/hair ratio

So if you send us a picture of your dick and one with you holding your own dick, we will all believe your claims that you have a dick, but failure to provide us with picture is proof that you don't have a dick like you claim. You're not the only one who knows "stuff"

[caddarik79]

So if you send us a picture of your dick and one with you holding your own dick, we will all believe your claims that you have a dick, but failure to provide us with picture is proof that you don't have a dick like you claim. You're not the only one who knows "stuff"

LOL, good one

Let's not assume what forum members found out , and let's not forget that GC is specific as well, alopecia aerata is not the same as mpb, his donor was different, his time between procedures was different and still, he looks great, another two and he will be kind of very OK on short hair (3mm >> 3 cm)...

Look at Gerard Joling on facebook if yo are in, you will see the dude is doin' OK, give him another two procedures and he will look really good with 5cm long hair... so...stop didi with your bold claims, let's give it a time.

Same for Nigam, with what we have seen so far, nothing legit or revolutionary, let's give it a time, stop bashing, encourage GC, hope he will be fine... I even hope he can go for another three or four as a pionneer, he would be then nicely rewarded.

[gc83uk]

I think at this level, didi and some others, are too confident in their own assumptions, like no regen, blabla, it's funny, it's a crescendo based on nothing.

As you said, all what you mentioned is the minimum.

I'm sure you had numerous regen, I'm sure because I've seen your donor pic, and it looks really great for someone receiving that amount of grafts.

Bashing Gho became a reflex here, let's give it more time and see your documentation on next level... but you will be a full head for your wedding on 2014, I'm sure of it...

Yea I'm sure there is definitely regen, but it's just at what level? Time will tell us all hopefully once and for all.

And cheers Arashi, definitely going to need your help amongst others! Might need to start taking the before pictures in the next week or so because I'll be working 18-hour days (staff issues), pretty much right up to my HST from about 20th August.....what do you reckon to that? Hopefully it won't distort the results too much.

[gc83uk]

So if you send us a picture of your dick and one with you holding your own dick, we will all believe your claims that you have a dick, but failure to provide us with picture is proof that you don't have a dick like you claim. You're not the only one who knows "stuff"

Haha , quality!

[greatjob!]

let's give it more time and see your documentation on next level...

That's cute you think people on btt will wait for proof instead of spending 100's of pages speculating and making wild assumptions based on nothing, lol.

I think the issue here with didi and others is they are not arguing with people like gc who are obviously intelligent, well ground individuals who live in reality, they are arguing with people like IM who are completely delusional and think hst is the cure for baldness.

Like gc has stated there are very good reasons to go the hst route. It is all based on your situation and which factors of a procedure you place more weight on. Currently I don't believe any hairloss treatment is the best option for every patient. Strip, FUE, hst ect., all currently have their place in the industry until something comes out that will be the best option for every single patient.

Anyways good luck with your upcoming procedure gc, I hope all goes well and you can provide further insight into hst as a procedure.

[Arashi]

And cheers Arashi, definitely going to need your help amongst others! Might need to start taking the before pictures in the next week or so because I'll be working 18-hour days (staff issues), pretty much right up to my HST from about 20th August.....what do you reckon to that? Hopefully it won't distort the results too much.

Sure, if you're busy ahead of your procedure, why not take pictures earlier ? Seems like a good idea. Only thing is you'd have to shave it all down of course.

At what date in september are you going to have the procedure exactly ?