Question on Density

[LT56]

I had a frontal transplant 14 years ago using the strip method. I'm generally satisfied, although not ecstatic, with the density. I'm going in for HST in September to lower the front hairline a little more. Can anyone tell me what to expect in terms of density, compared to a traditional strip transplant? I'm betting the answer will start with "It depends..", but I'm also hoping to hear that the density will likely be greater.

[gc83uk]

They usually do 35 grafts per cm2.

So the best thing would be to see how many grafts you currently have per cm2 and compare to that.

[hellouser]

They usually do 35 grafts per cm2.

So the best thing would be to see how many grafts you currently have per cm2 and compare to that.

Man, thats so hard to measure when youre on topical treatments! You need at least 6 months of a stable regimen before you can assess density due to sheds, regrowth and further sheds. Density will be up and down.

[gc83uk]

Man, thats so hard to measure when youre on topical treatments! You need at least 6 months of a stable regimen before you can assess density due to sheds, regrowth and further sheds. Density will be up and down.

Nah man, I'm just suggesting doing aprox figures. Just cut out a 1cm square and stick it on your head. This will be difficult unless you've got relatively short hair. Take a high quality photo and count the grafts.

Repeat numerous times in different areas and take the avg.

Other than doing that I can't help you, but like I said Gho will place 35 grafts per cm2 avg and on subsequent procedures he can increase this to around 50 grafts per cm2.

[Phatalis]

I'm about to ask a retard question but I got to know cause now I'm confused.

So say I get a HT. They take follicles. If a follicle is transected.. does that just mean that that follicle is still in the donor area and just was "missed" when the graft was taken so the recipient won't recieve a follicle that will grow a hair but it will still grow from the donor where it is.

or

does it mean that the follicle is ruined.. as in - it's taken from the donor.. so it's not there anymore.. and it's also ruined and won't grow in recipient...?

[aim4hair]

I'm about to ask a retard question but I got to know cause now I'm confused.

So say I get a HT. They take follicles. If a follicle is transected.. does that just mean that that follicle is still in the donor area and just was "missed" when the graft was taken so the recipient won't recieve a follicle that will grow a hair but it will still grow from the donor where it is.

or

does it mean that the follicle is ruined.. as in - it's taken from the donor.. so it's not there anymore.. and it's also ruined and won't grow in recipient...?

any failed extraction will grow back in your donor and will NOT be counted as part of your total grafts that you will pay for.

[Phatalis]

any failed extraction will grow back in your donor and will NOT be counted as part of your total grafts that you will pay for.

Also - is there a chance that the extraction process ruins a graft? Like.. That's it messes up and that graft is unusable and will never regrow a hair etc?

I mean like the follicle itself... being ruined.

[aim4hair]

Also - is there a chance that the extraction process ruins a graft? Like.. That's it messes up and that graft is unusable and will never regrow a hair etc?

I mean like the follicle itself... being ruined.

I doubt that, many ppl already had HST and i didn't see anybody complain about the growth of the recipient area...

[Dees Dab]

Other than doing that I can't help you, but like I said Gho will place 35 grafts per cm2 avg and on subsequent procedures he can increase this to around 50 grafts per cm2.

First, thanks for being one of the people on here to take the risk with Dr Gho and document your experience. The best pics also. I am considering him for HT.

I read most of the posts on Dr Gho but still frustratd why he can't just do 1 pass like the other docs and get more density. What is the limiting factor that other docs don't have that he does?

His HSI tehnique may improve this but I think hasn't been perfected yet.

I belive he has said he prefers you don't have native hair where he places his grafts but isn't that exactly what he is faced with when you want more density and not a 15 grand see-thru transplant. (assuming fine hair 3000 grafts)

Also when someone goes for subsequent procedures to increase density wouldn't that get rather expensive for the average person or is that included in the original quote? I doubt it.

[LT56]

Nah man, I'm just suggesting doing aprox figures. Just cut out a 1cm square and stick it on your head. This will be difficult unless you've got relatively short hair. Take a high quality photo and count the grafts.

Repeat numerous times in different areas and take the avg.

Other than doing that I can't help you, but like I said Gho will place 35 grafts per cm2 avg and on subsequent procedures he can increase this to around 50 grafts per cm2.

Thanks again, GC83UK. Yeah, I can't use the method you suggest because my frontal hair is too long and I have to leave it growing long for the procedure itself. So, I'll put the question another way: by and large, it the 35/cm2 lower, higher or about the same as a traditional transplant? Or, is that a question impossible to answer without knowing my current density?

[gc83uk]

Thanks again, GC83UK. Yeah, I can't use the method you suggest because my frontal hair is too long and I have to leave it growing long for the procedure itself. So, I'll put the question another way: by and large, it the 35/cm2 lower, higher or about the same as a traditional transplant? Or, is that a question impossible to answer without knowing my current density?

Have a look at this thread http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9272

It's quite hard to answer, but I would say it's around the same. Some will say it's slightly lower. But with subsequent procedures they will bring it to 50 per cm2, which is good enough for most people.

[Dees Dab]

Have a look at this thread http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9272

It's quite hard to answer, but I would say it's around the same. Some will say it's slightly lower. But with subsequent procedures they will bring it to 50 per cm2, which is good enough for most people.

To better understand this may I give an example.

Lets say I go for 1800 graft then want better density of lets say 52 per cm2.

1800 grafts cost 9400 euro = 12300 U.S plus tax say 10% = about 13500 U.S you have 35 per cm2.

To get 52 per cm2 would I need another 900 grafts ? approx = 5800 euro=7500 U.S plus tax= 8250.

Grand total 13500+8250=21750 U.S plus two visits airfare lodging etc.. is this correct?

[gc83uk]

To better understand this may I give an example.

Lets say I go for 1800 graft then want better density of lets say 52 per cm2.

1800 grafts cost 9400 euro = 12300 U.S plus tax say 10% = about 13500 U.S you have 35 per cm2.

To get 52 per cm2 would I need another 900 grafts ? approx = 5800 euro=7500 U.S plus tax= 8250.

Grand total 13500+8250=21750 U.S plus two visits airfare lodging etc.. is this correct?

Yes it's probably about right.

However what is the 10% tax for? The advertised price is not subject to any tax, unless you talking about something else?

It may also be possible if you demand it enough for Gho to do 50 grafts per sq cm in 1 take, however they will probably tell you it's not a good idea because the survival of the grafts can be compromised. It would be your risk!

[didi]

http://www.clinicajimenezacosta.com/pdf/publicacion1.pdf

Good study about density.

You cant just look at grafts, it depends how many hairs you have per grafts

Caucasians have highest density of 200 hairs per cm2, you need half that to look ok...

If Gho can give you 50 2-hair graft then you can reach your goal but its very unlikely scenario due to inability(small needle) to harvest tripletes...

in GCs case for example he only had 1.35 hairs per graft so he will need 70grafts to look normal or match his sides ..

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

so that technology might not be as good as it sounds cause regardless regeneration you would need 5-7 passess to achive an ok look,.so this is like 4-5 years ,no?we need better technologies, lets pray for some good news on 3 weeks all

Yes it's probably about right.

However what is the 10% tax for? The advertised price is not subject to any tax, unless you talking about something else?

It may also be possible if you demand it enough for Gho to do 50 grafts per sq cm in 1 take, however they will probably tell you it's not a good idea because the survival of the grafts can be compromised. It would be your risk!