Misleading Claims about Dr. Gho's HST technique...

[Arashi]

Nice illustration ...now Compare these pictures to grafts in petri dish...???
Why do we see follicles with bulb when they should be bulbless?

Arashi, what you think?

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12643640.jpg

What I think ? That you're just a troll with no intention of finding out the truth. Cause if you were interested in the truth, you'd be mailing HASCI and asking THEM this question. Oh and in that case you'd of course be kind enough to post their answer here.

But again, you're just a troll, manufacturing all kinds of theories and posting them here. Just because you like trolling.

[ANW]

where do these illustrations come from ?

Is it possible that they are intended to demonstrate the partial extraction theory only and not intended to demonstrate the actual detail of the technique. his research paper (2010) does not reflect this illustration.

[Arashi]

where do these illustrations come from ?

They were taken by HASCI and made for these forums to document a case. Or wait, you mean those drawings ? Dont know, Didi came up with them.

[534623]

where do these illustrations come from ?

Is it possible that they are intended to demonstrate the partial extraction theory only and not intended to demonstrate the actual detail of the technique. his research paper (2010) does not reflect this illustration.

Correct. This animation of the extraction part ...

http://www.hasci.com/en/hair-stem-cell-transplantation/ (scol down)

... is just for LAYMEN to demontrate the partial extraction theory only. Because would it make sense to demonstrate how they indeed extract the grafts?

They did it in the past ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6RqD9qdIgo&feature=share&list=UUDok0raYsTOQT9nhl5Uv3Ww

... and even these so-called "experts" in this field have still no clue how it works - even when such a video reveals and reflects the actual details of the technique as shown them in Dr. Gho's research paper as well.

The HST technique is "FUE-like" - the only difference is (at least concerning the extraction part) that they use needles with an inner-diameter of 0.5-0.6 mm (HST) instead of 0.75 up to 1.25 mm (FUE).

And exactly there is the simple question:
Why the hell don't all the other FUE doctors out there use also 0.5-0.6 mm needles for graft extractions??

What did Dr. Rassman recently say about "denuded grafts"? lol

[534623]

Correct. This animation of the extraction part ...

http://www.hasci.com/en/hair-stem-cell-transplantation/ (scol down)

... is just for LAYMEN to demontrate the partial extraction theory only. Because would it make sense to demonstrate how they indeed extract the grafts?

They did it in the past ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6RqD9qdIgo&feature=share&list=UUDok0raYsTOQT9nhl5Uv3Ww

... and even these so-called "experts" in this field have still no clue how it works - even when such a video reveals and reflects the actual details of the technique as shown them in Dr. Gho's research paper as well.?[/B]

... and do it still today:

http://www.hasci.com/en/hair-stem-cell-transplantation/

This time also in ENGLISH. You can find these animations on the left side of this page.

[534623]

We also offer ...
Shortly we will also offer ...

Sorry, but who cares in Gho-thread what a NOBODY from India has to offer??

Or can't you read??

So, this thread is all about the misleading claims in this field by doctors, hair loss forum users, patients etc etc about Dr. Gho's HST technique.

Nobody has a problem when someone is trying to defend any misleading claims - especially those defences which are backed-up with FACTS. But what YOU did in this thread is just backing-up your old bold claims with loads of other bold claims. That's everything what you did so far.

[534623]

Hasson and Wong are also using saline solution and they have the most consistent and impresive results, check their website

hmmmm, should I expect to see their bad results at their website?

Anyway, I have a nice task for you:


Could you please be so kind and count the 5955 grafts (!) in this patients recipient area, and whether or not ALL of these 5955 grafts grew in the recipient area as implanted. Thanks in advance.

Gho says saline damages grafts, kills follicles..whereas his 'preservation medium' increases yield by 30-40%.....

Correct.

[drnigams]

IM said.....The HST technique is "FUE-like" - the only difference is (at least concerning the extraction part) that they use needles with an inner-diameter of 0.5-0.6 mm (HST) instead of 0.75 up to 1.25 mm (FUE).
IM also said...
Why the hell don't all the other FUE doctors out there use also 0.5-0.6 mm needles for graft extractions??


This is why most of the docs are not interested in using .5mm/.6mm needle ,when they are deep at the subcutaneous tissue where the root of the follicles are,with variable angles...to avoid transections in FUE.
Now one can clearly see from the histo pics that what others consider as transected FUE and want to avoid...exactly same IM recommends for longitudnal bisection as donor doubling.

The angles of the root of the proximal end of the follicles are very different form the angles of the follicles outside the skin.
Infact till middle part of the follicle the follicles are bunched together and spread out at the base at the subcutaneous fat tissue.
Now your diagram of longitudnal bisection shows no acute angle of the root of the follicle.
Let me repeat, that the angle of the hair that sticks out above the surface of the skin is not the same as the angle of the hair follicle below the skin’s surface. In addition, the angles differ from follicle to follicle. Therefore, it is literally impossible to exactly align the cutting instrument with the hair follicle as it passes into the depths of the dermis.
The second issue is that, although the follicles in the follicular units are gathered or grouped on the surface(figure2) and in the mid-dermis (Figure 3), as they sit deeper into the skin they spread outward so that by the time they enter the subcutaneous fat, they then become random (Figure 4). Therefore, a cutting instrument that easily fits around the follicular unit on the surface of the skin (Figure 2) will cut off the root of the follicles as it passes into the fat (Figure 4).
In interpreting the results, one first needs to define a few terms. The graft yield is simply the number of grafts versus the number of attempted extractions. This is actually a deceptive number because if you extract only one hair from a multi-haired follicular unit that would still be called a graft (this convention is used by many hair transplant doctors performing FUE). What is more valuable information is hair yield. The hair yield is the number of intact hairs obtained versus the total numbers of hairs in the follicular unit that on is attempting to extract. (Figure 5)

As an example, in a case where only one intact hair was obtained from a 3-hair follicular unit, the graft yield would be 100 percent, whereas the hair yield (which is really the more important measurement) would be only 33 percent.

[drnigams]

Regarding survival of grafts ...
1)I play safe,by using solutions with 7.4ph as of serum,by using right osmolality in the preservation medium ,growth factors,ecm,prp,oxygenation,dp culture medium,mesenchymal cells,epithelial stemcells etc.
2)Like DHI,we keep patients in left lateral position and do not keep the grafts outside the scalp for more than few minutes,one person extracts and other implants ..to avoid drying of grafts.
I am on the side of dr gho and dr cooley on this matter...although i wonder how others get good results with saline preservation with ph of saline being 5 and ph of ringer lactate being 6.5.
BUT NO WAY PRESERVATION MEDIUM CAN MULTIPLY FOLLICLES OR ACTIVATE STEMCELLS.


And explanation of im is about endothelial cells and cardiac cells...the preservation of hair follicle has to be done differently from the preservation of cardiac or endothelial cells...

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Posted by Dr. Ray Woods - 19.06.2012, 03:53

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”Dr Gho states that normal saline solution kills 50 to 60% of follicles and tissue due to the ph. And the smaller [the graft], the greater the damage

Can someone please call the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION and put out an alert that every hospital on earth using normal saline intravenously is KILLING blood cells......and the answer to this crisis is Dr Ghos liquid which is perfectly safe and superior to normal saline and can be injected into the blood stream by the litre..he holds the patent but I am sure every hospital on earth alerted to this new terrifying scenario will order it by the container ship load

In my opinion, Dr Ghos claims are utter BS, and I think every surgeon, anaethetist and ER doc on planet earth would agree”
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… would they agree?

Let me look …

BACKGROUND


RESEARCH

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8694617

"saline solution caused a significant decline in cell numbers after 24 hours"



According to all these scientific research papers (and I’ve mentioned just a few!) – I don’t think that "every surgeon, anaethetist and ER doc on planet earth would agree"…

Anyway, can someone please call the Health Care Complaints Commission (HCCC) in Australia, and report them, that there is a hair transplant doctor in Australia, who suggests his patients that “Saline Solution” is a good thing for their extracted hair follicles…

[534623]

Regarding survival of grafts ...
1)I play safe,by using solutions with 7.4ph as of serum,by using right osmolality in the preservation medium ,growth factors,ecm,prp,oxygenation,dp culture medium,mesenchymal cells,epithelial stemcells etc.

Seriously and again - who the hell cares in a Gho-thread what YOU use??

And who says that your "mix of findings on internet forums" (to simplify things) is such a "great thing"??

[534623]

And explanation of im is about endothelial cells and cardiac cells...the preservation of hair follicle has to be done differently from the preservation of cardiac or endothelial cells...

Oh, really??
Does it mean that saline solution is SUPERB for hair follicle stem cells??

Seriously - but is nobody here able to stop this incompetent psychopath?

[didi]

Nice explanation dr nigam

People on this forum dont have any idea how follicles grow under the skin,

if you look that animation on hasci.com of how hst graft is extracted and try to picture how it would look with real graft, you will see its IMPOSSIBLE to achieve and no surprise theres so many transections, even FUE will have issues with transections n thats why STRIP yields better results

Blind technique like hst plus very small .5-.6 needle = transections, thats what we see in petri dish

[didi]

What I think ? That you're just a troll with no intention of finding out the truth. Cause if you were interested in the truth, you'd be mailing HASCI and asking THEM this question. Oh and in that case you'd of course be kind enough to post their answer here.

But again, you're just a troll, manufacturing all kinds of theories and posting them here. Just because you like trolling.

Me troll? How so arashi... you as self proclaimed fanboy have no idea what you beleive in and you cant explain anything in regards to hst and you still a fanboy?

At least IM had some silly theories and said they were all 'TELOGEN' hairs, later on he changed that opinion...

By now you should know its all smoke and mirrors...

[534623]

Nice explanation dr nigam

People on this forum dont have any idea how follicles grow under the skin...

Yeah, perhaps, but there is a problem with your and Nigam's endless wisdom:


...at least Dr. Gho is fully aware about this issue.

They developed and patented such a needle just for fun - sure...

Yeah, and all this is something didi heard about it the first time, sure ...

[gc83uk]

Yeah, perhaps, but there is a problem with your and Nigam's endless wisdom:

...at least Dr. Gho is fully aware about this issue.

They developed and patented such a needle just for fun - sure...

Yeah, and all this is something didi heard about it the first time, sure ...

hehe I was about to quote this, even a "Layman" like me are aware of this!

Otherwise what would be the point of this needle of it didn't take care of something as basic as this?

I think the only time this doesn't work is with curly hair.