Another Gho question.

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Iron MAn

Firstable,This snippet is not from donor area, it is from recipient area
and yes you are right, there are lots of 1-hair grafts everywhere

Wow - it took you guys longer to notice that than I thought...

*FULL SIZE* http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/...-snippet-x.jpg


Anyway, the blue square shows the exact size and position I used for the posted "donor area" pic.
Now you may ask why I used his unaffected front area as "donor area" - namely gc's natural and 'not by scarring alopecia affected area' ?

Right - "there are lots of 1-hair grafts everywhere" and the questions for EXPERTS (not losers) are:

- Why is there such a hair structure difference in general to other areas? Was this area also somewhat affected in the past or is this area still somewhat affected?

- Does this area, which is unique ("fishy") to other areas, still have an influence on transplanted grafts - besides the negative influence in general of fibrous tissue (as a result of scarring alopecia) in the receptor area?

So far, besides a somewhat lower density of transplanted grafts in this "fishy area", the hair structure is practically exactly the same as in gc's natural/unaffected front area - and that's the point of my "donor area" pic.

[gc83uk]

In order to restore his credibility Iron man needs to apologize for misrepresenting the facts and manipulatig photos, we have to assume it happened on purpose since IM hardly makes any mistakes



Gc

it appears like Gho gave you 70% single hairs in recipient for some reason, maybe he wants you to keep coming back for more density, which make sense from a business perspective but if i were you I'd be slightly pissed off about it. surprisingly you seem cool as

Technically you said it was the recipient area which also isn't true, but I'll let that go. The fact of the matter is, I have had 2 other clinics tell me I have lots of 1 hair grafts in my donor. Why would I make that up?

The fact of the matter is, Gho has implanted plenty of 1 hair grafts as well as 2 hair grafts. I seen the grafts in the dish. I can see hundreds/thousands of one hair grafts in my donor area.

Let's say there are 20 x 2 hair grafts in an area as well as 20 x 1 hair grafts...The 2 hair grafts look more numerous, but this isn't helped by the fact that there are 2 hairs coming out of each fu vs 1 hair from a one hair FU, so from a glance it it looks like there is 50 hairs vs 20 hairs, over twice as much, but in reality there equally as many 1 hair grafts as 2 hair grafts.

I also think your 70% single hairs in the recipient is an absurd claim and you need to back that up. I've it's found true then I will say you are right, but you have to take the sample over a large area, not just a 2 cm2 area, because results can be manipulated to suit ones objective.

As for me pissed off at Gho, you couldn't be further from the truth. Tell me who in the world could of helped me other than Gho? I couldn't be happier!

And don't forget these hairs which have been re-extracted again in the donor, which has been seen in the analysis, they have grown back for a 2nd or possible a 3rd time. So technically your not doubling hair, your trebling, quadrupling etc over the course of procedures.

These one hair grafts your talking about, I can thicken up the area with more grafts in the future. With the HSi method the density can be even tighter, so there is absolutely nothing to be worried about.

[didi]

In order to restore his credibility Iron man needs to apologize for misrepresenting the facts and manipulatig photos, we have to assume it happened on purpose since IM hardly makes any mistakes



Gc

it appears like Gho gave you 70% single hairs in recipient for some reason, maybe he wants you to keep coming back for more density, which make sense from a business perspective but if i were you I'd be slightly pissed off about it. surprisingly you seem cool as

[gc83uk]

There are billions of single hair grafts too though!

Lol and I hope your not referring to yourself in the 3rd person just then.

[didi]

exactly, forelock area is not your donor area like IM said,
how could he get that wrong? Cant escape Didis scrutiny

this is snippet of side of your head, i can see bilions of multi hair grafts

[gc83uk]

It's actually my forelock area which is not the recipient area and it is quite a dense area. But still lots of 1 hair grafts.

[gc83uk]

Iron MAn

Firstable,This snippet is not from donor area, it is from recipient area
and yes you are right, there are lots of 1-hair grafts everywhere

I don't understand? I wish that was my recipient area, but it's not. It's the side of my head I think.

[didi]

This is a close-up snippet from your donor area...

...and there are lots of 1-hair grafts everywhere.

Iron MAn

Firstable,This snippet is not from donor area, it is from recipient area
and yes you are right, there are lots of 1-hair grafts everywhere

[richunter]

you need 80-100 hairs per cm2, thats only 50% original density but considered enough to pull off illusion of density
with HSTs 1.35 hairs / graft you need 60-70 hst grafts per cm2 x 200-250cm2

12 000 -17500 hst grafts

of course if you are lucky enough to get 2.5 hair/graft as they advertize you ll need much less grafts

I was wondering if I could get your take on these figures for a NW7? The way I see it, the needed number would be at least 25,000 hairs to get an NW7 back to stage 1.

I have heard a rough average of hairs on the head is 100,000. So if you start with that figure and halve it (to give the minimum number needed for the illusion of density) that gets you down to 50,000 for the whole head. Now if you assume half of that area is the permanent hairs and half the bald area, that means to fill the bald area at that density you need 25,000.

I say "at least" because I would assume the bald area on an NW7 is more than half the original area.

Actually, doing it another way I very roughly estimate the bald area could be about 20cm x 25cm = 500cm2 for my head. Times that by the 100 hairs per cm2 and you get a whopping 50,000 hairs.

I'd really appreciate people's thoughts on this.

I'm 36 yrs and probably NW4/5. Noticed receding hair in my early 20s. My mum's brothers were all NW7 by their early 50s - so I figure I'm heading in the same direction, so don't want to start down a path of treatment without really knowing what this is going to involve, or if it is possible to really achieve, in the long run.

[cocacola]

From this

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745/4246_image1.jpg

To this

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745/whatever3%20007.JPG

While keeping this

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745/DSCN1623.JPG

This is tremendous progress in my opinion! Obviously with the big area that you had to work on, 3000 grafts will not be enough. As we can see the area of your 1st and 2nd hst is much less dense than your sides. Your 3rd hst area is even less dense(its still too early to judge that area anyway). No matter what, it is still crazy progress. I hope you are happy with the result GC!

Btw, did you ask gho how many more grafts you can potentially get?

[534623]

Nice one I.M.

Clear as day.

I have just converted/inverted the pic...

...and with this, it's even more clear as day.

The problem is, this is a snippet of your last donor area photos you posted - so after 3 HST procedures. I know in advance that didi will know claim that "there are so many singles in the donor because Dr. Gho just splits the follicles (1 hair for the recipient and 1 hair for 'regrowth' in the donor)".

[gc83uk]

...and there are lots of 1-hair grafts everywhere.

Nice one I.M.

Clear as day.

[gc83uk]

awesome!
it also looks like they dropped their prices a little as well!

I thought the same thing at first, but then I realised they are now showing prices in GBP £ on the english section. It's actually a bad deal, I'd rather pay them in euros because from my calcs it works out cheaper.

[hellouser]

Hasci have also increased their maximum number of grafts per day from 2520 to 3000 on their website.

That has to be good news, however we're still to hear about a single person having more than 1800 done.

awesome!
it also looks like they dropped their prices a little as well!

[534623]

It's also worth noting that there are actually quite a few 1 hair grafts in the donor area, (more 2 hair grafts than 1) so we can't assume all the grafts placed into the recipient are 2 hair grafts.

This is a close-up snippet from your donor area...

...and there are lots of 1-hair grafts everywhere.