The 50 Graft Test Procedure

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  • Arashi
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 3888

    Ok guys, I have awesome news. HASCI is going to re-do the test !! Details to follow, but they understood why the previous test failed and will take great care to make sure we won't need a 3rd one

    From what I understand, it will be going down next wednesday already !

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    • aim4hair
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 437

      Originally posted by Arashi
      Ok guys, I have awesome news. HASCI is going to re-do the test !! Details to follow, but they understood why the previous test failed and will take great care to make sure we won't need a 3rd one

      From what I understand, it will be going down next wednesday already !
      Good news!! They gonna do it on whom ?

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      • Arashi
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 3888

        Originally posted by aim4hair
        Good news!! They gonna do it on whom ?
        Unfortunately not on James. They have a client living nearby who can come by daily for photoshooting. I asked if he was also active on one of these forums, haven't got a reply yet.

        But if this is a guy not active on any forums, then I think we'll have to figure out a way to make the test more reliable. Otherwise Didi is going to bring up the same argument as I did with Dr Nigams And it would actually be a valid argument. Doing the test on a person we can not trust greatly could diminish the value of the test.

        So if this client of theirs is not a forum member, then I think the best thing to do is that we'd ask to have someone we can trust witness the surgery. I'd do it myself (I'm in the Netherlands as of next week), but again, Didi would bring up I'm not the most reliable witness So maybe we can ask the moderator of the Dutch forums, he's independent AND he's always been sceptic towards HASCI. It seems he's interested in HASCI though, so he might be a great person to supervise. Important would be not to only supervise the procedure but have him check up with the client 2 days after as well, to verify that the grafs weren't taken elsewhere on his scalp. If we can have him do that, then in theory it doesn't even matter where they got their client ...

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        • Arashi
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 3888

          Actually ... I'm still thinking, maybe it isn't even a bad idea if I go there myself. I know where I can lend a professional camera with macro lense. I could shoot tons of photo's and as long as the client scalp is shaved (so he has no places to hide grafts, like Dr Nigams guy had) and as long as I meet up with him 2 days after and again shoot tons of photo's, then that should also be enough proof ...

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          • didi
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 1360

            Great

            The best if we ask haarweb moderator to monitor procedure since he is sceptic and honestly Id rather have sceptic supervising than fanboy especially knowing this test dude is hascis man(not a forum member)

            Then again it would be better if we find our man, thier man is their man, many ways to cheat even if we supervise

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            • Arashi
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 3888

              Originally posted by didi
              Great

              The best if we ask haarweb moderator to monitor procedure since he is sceptic and honestly Id rather have sceptic supervising than fanboy especially knowing this test dude is hascis man(not a forum member)

              Then again it would be better if we find our man, thier man is their man, many ways to cheat even if we supervise
              Well, like said, I don't care about what you say, you're only a troll. However if you stop trolling and bring up a GOOD reason why it would be better to have that guy there than me (provided I take the pictures like just mentioned), then I'm willing to consider what you're asking.

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              • Arashi
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 3888

                Originally posted by didi
                many ways to cheat even if we supervise
                Not if I go there 2 days after again, meet up with him and make tons of high quality photo's. Or would you disagree ? If so please explain.

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                • didi
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 1360

                  he can still go to Gho on day 3 and get grafts impanted in recipient?



                  'They have a client living nearby '

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                  • Arashi
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 3888

                    Originally posted by didi
                    he can still go to Gho on day 3 and get grafts impanted in recipient?



                    'They have a client living nearby '
                    Yes but after 2 days this would be clearly visible in the photo's. Maybe however it's best to meet up at day 3 then: extraction points are still clearly visible and if they'd mess around AFTER that, then it's going to be clearly visible too.

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                    • didi
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 1360

                      its better to wait and find forum member who is willing to do it, sorry but i dont like when its done on THEIR man...has no credibility...

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                      • Arashi
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 3888

                        Originally posted by didi
                        its better to wait and find forum member who is willing to do it, sorry but i dont like when its done on THEIR man...has no credibility...
                        Like said, I don't care if you're just trolling like this post. However if you bring up a VALID reason, then I'm willing to reconsider. I personally dont see any way how they could cheat if we'd set it up like I proposed (me shooting pictures during the surgery AND at day 3).

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                        • Arashi
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 3888

                          of course, you're more than welcome to visit Gho's clinic yourself

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                          • didi
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 1360

                            we want test man to be as random as possible, not carefully selected by company..makes sense

                            we can find our men and have our people supervise

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                            • Arashi
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 3888

                              Originally posted by didi
                              we want test man to be as random as possible, not carefully selected by company..makes sense

                              we can find our men and have our people supervise
                              Again, if you're not bringing up a reason, I'm going to ignore your posts. Or I suggest you set it up in a way YOU like with them ok ?

                              Like said, if we set it up like I outlined there's simply no way they can cheat.

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                              • Arashi
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 3888

                                However, if YOU can arrange for someone who wants to visit the clinic during surgery AND at day 2 or 3 AND has a professional camera with Marco lense, then that's fine too of course.

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