The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[gc83uk]

So do I understand correctly that they took 800 on one side of your scalp and the other 800 on the other side ? And are the photo's good enough to count the total of possible extraction sites ? They're still downing, will take some time ...

You do realise you don't have to download the pictures as a whole batch? You can just view them in a gallery.

And yes 800 each side, that's why you can see a pic of my right side donor shaved and untouched after having taken 800 from the left side on the 1st day.

The extractions are easier to count from the left side as it was much bloodier and taken immediately after I got back to the hotel. However the after pic of the right side extractions isn't quite as red, probably because I took it about 24/36 hours after extraction.

Unfortunately I don't have a before pic of the left side, as explained above.

[Arashi]

I'm still downloading the pictures ... But I don't know GC ... do you think they're good enough to count all possible extraction sides ? We'd only need to count the right side (since you only have pre-op of that), but still... I'm not sure if it's going to be possible ...

[Arashi]

All in all, man, let's just hope HASCI is willing to do a new 50 graft test Even if it's going to be possible to do what I suggested on your pictures, it's going to be a hell of a job ...

[hellouser]

All in all, man, let's just hope HASCI is willing to do a new 50 graft test Even if it's going to be possible to do what I suggested on your pictures, it's going to be a hell of a job ...

Another test?

I think they're going to be either annoyed or at least raise a brow. This should have been planned out better from the start.

And since everyone is demanding proper photography, I think the next person, if there will even be one, should be a COMPETENT photographer, no offense to james bald though, i dont expect everyone to know the ins-and-outs of a camera and how to work it for cases like documentation, but for a situation like this, its vital.

If I were closer to the HASCI locations, I'd easily dedicate my spare time for this and make sure ALL photographs come out properly. Its especially easier if your taking the pictures for someone else rather than being the one with the procedure and angling around trying to take pictures of the back of your own head.

[cocacola]

Guys im sorry havent read the whole thread. Can someone recap what happened here?

[Arashi]

Guys im sorry havent read the whole thread. Can someone recap what happened here?

Sure. Recap: HASCI decided to go for 200 grafts instead of 50 grafts. Kristel said they felt really sorry for James when they saw how badly that other FUE clinic had butchered him up and damaged his donor, that they wanted to do something for him. However by doing so the test got a LOT more complex. This necessarily in itself isn't a problem, however one would need VERY good pre-op photo's of VERY high quality, to track the 200 grafts and find out how many hairs were extracted.

The photo's that were made were just not of such high enough quality. They've made some more and they're going to send them to me, but I'm afraid they just won't be good enough.

I've suggested that a new test would be a wise thing to consider, since there's so much discussion on these forums. Kristel was not negative about this and today I've just heard that they're going to think about that. Let's hope they will set it up !!

[didi]

They felt sorry for james, lame excuse if you ask me.

They examined his scalp a few weeks before procedure(they didnt feel sorry back then) and deal was 50 graft test for forum members to finally prove whether or not hst works as claimed, stakes were high, it was crucial to stick to the rules or else it wont work..they agreed but then changed their mind on the day of procedure. How cool.

It seemed impossible something could go wrong but somehow hasci managed to fk it up.

You'd think its in their best interest to get this done properly and prove it to everyone after so many years of mystery but it looks like they are quite happy for this mystery to continue


Anyways

Lets hope they realize their mistake and do another test and in meantime lets focus on this 200 test unless it total failure

[534623]

They felt sorry for james, lame excuse if you ask me.

They examined his scalp a few weeks before procedure(they didnt feel sorry back then) ...

How do you know what they felt?

I mean, JamesBald didn't mention that a fat bald guy with a fat ass was also in the room during the examination part.

[hellouser]

Question for JamesBald:

Do you know anyone that has a digital SLR camera that understands the technical aspects of photography? We're not looking for glamour shots, just technically proper photos of objects close up.

Would be a HUGE help. Lets get THAT straightened out before we jump into another test.

[534623]

It sounds like IM doesnt want test to go ahead,
How come you are the only one who oposes such a brilliant idea?

Because I'm the only one here with a higher IQ? lol

[Arashi]

They felt sorry for james, lame excuse if you ask me.

They examined his scalp a few weeks before procedure(they didnt feel sorry back then) and deal was 50 graft test for forum members to finally prove whether or not hst works as claimed, stakes were high, it was crucial to stick to the rules or else it wont work..they agreed but then changed their mind on the day of procedure. How cool.

It seemed impossible something could go wrong but somehow hasci managed to fk it up.

You'd think its in their best interest to get this done properly and prove it to everyone after so many years of mystery but it looks like they are quite happy for this mystery to continue


Anyways

Lets hope they realize their mistake and do another test and in meantime lets focus on this 200 test unless it total failure

I've decided not to participate in Dr Nigams threads anymore. There's no doubt at ALL anymore in my mind that he's a fraud after everything that's happened so far, so I don't see any use anymore to look into him. If people decide to go to India without having done their due diligence, then that's THEIR problem, not mine, so what's the use in even participating in his threads, I ask myself. None.

Also, I'm considering to really stop replying to your posts, Didi. You also don't seem to be interested in the truth at all. You're twisting facts and all you try to do is bash Gho. Good for you, I'm not here to defend Gho, I'm here in search of the truth. Anyone interested in that too, I'd ask to help doing research and analysises. Anyone like you, Didi, who's just out to bash Gho: go ahead and have you're little fun, but I will just ignore your posts.

[hellouser]

I've decided not to participate in Dr Nigams threads anymore. There's no doubt at ALL anymore in my mind that he's a fraud after everything that's happened so far, so I don't see any use anymore to look into him. If people decide to go to India without having done their due diligence, then that's THEIR problem, not mine, so what's the use in even participating in his threads, I ask myself. None.

Also, I'm considering to really stop replying to your posts, Didi. You also don't seem to be interested in the truth at all. You're twisting facts and all you try to do is bash Gho. Good for you, I'm not here to defend Gho, I'm here in search of the truth. Anyone interested in that too, I'd ask to help doing research and analysises. Anyone like you, Didi, who's just out to bash Gho: go ahead and have you're little fun, but I will just ignore your posts.

Theres an ignore function on the forum where u can add anyone to an ignore list.

[Arashi]

Theres an ignore function on the forum where u can add anyone to an ignore list.

I'll give Didi one more chance. If he posts FACTS and sticks to that, I'm willing to discuss things with him. Next time I catch him with bold lies and twisting words, he's going on ignore.

[didi]

Thanks arashi

you have to admit if everyone listend to Didi test would have been success?Rmbr 17/17/17 rule

You trusted hasci and now we got bananas, true?Shd I thank them for that?

Sorry but Gho screwd up,you said it too..IM is coming up with some weird explanations which nobody understands


Now even the most hardcore fanboys are sensing that there is something not quite right..

Question reamains, what is the real regeneration rate and yield?

[Arashi]

Thanks arashi

you have to admit if everyone listend to Didi test would have been success?Rmbr 17/17/17 rule

The test did not fail because of your magic 17/17/17 rule. If you had paid ANY attention at all, the problem is that the quality of the photo's is too low, THAT is what needs to be different next time, not the 17/17/17 thing, I don't care about that at all.

You trusted hasci and now we got bananas, true?Shd I thank them for that?

Probably you should thank them indeed, cause you got what you wanted.

Now even the most hardcore fanboys are sensing that there is something not quite right..

Like who exactly ? Ironman ? GC ? Me ? Who are you referring to ? Nobody is saying 'something is not right', we all just want a test to see FACTS.

Question reamains, what is the real regeneration rate and yield?

That's the only correct statement you've made so far. And that's the whole reason I asked for this test in the first place. What exactly did YOU contribute to get answers here ?