The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[hellouser]

No, that is definitely not what I said - here is again what I said:

What part of this don't you understand?

Or is your last answer just an attempt to avoid to show us your incompetence with your OWN photos?

What the hell do my own photographs have anything to do with the 50 graft test?

[clarence]

__________ah, fvck it this gets too complicated

[534623]

What the hell do my own photographs have anything to do with the 50 graft test?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I just want to see YOUR photographic skills - and whether or not YOU are able to post such photos as gc or I did.

[gc83uk]

OK, the way I see it is unless we get another photo in the next 24 hours then loads of these extraction points will fade, unless Hasci has taken a good after pic of the extraction (that would be ideal!)

I've circled anything that looked like an extraction, but I'm NOT saying for sure all these circles are the actual 203 extractions. I have circled approx 250 or 260.

Why we couldn't have just done 50 in a smaller area! Statistically it's better, but for ease of analysis it's awkward unless the pics are up to scratch.

Just need some others to do the same and come to a consensus which are the actual extractions and which are just maybe a bit of blood in the way or whatever!

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745/12656423.jpg

[hellouser]

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I just want to see YOUR photographic skills - and whether or not YOU are able to post such photos as gc or I did.

You really are stupid.

[534623]

Just need somebody others to do the same and come to a consensus which are the actual extractions and which are just maybe a bit of blood in the way or whatever!

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/...5/12656423.jpg

Good work gc! I'm surprised...

Nevertheless - I think the game is over. Here are the reasons:

1) Let's assume Kristel is able to come-up with Day-0 photos, these photos must be

a) extremely good close-up photos (I doubt that - as predicted);
b) even so, as you and other HST patients know, the extraction area is immediately after extractions mostly "too unclean" - or in other words, mostly not clean enough (due to a mix of blood-clots and the Fucidine-cream) to see really CLEAN extraction sites.

2) As you just noticed yourself - IF JamesBald is unable to take REALLY good photos within the coming 24 hours - THE GAME WILL BE OVER!

Furthermore, the extraction area itself is simply too big - and that's exactly why I initially meant "Kristel will be forced to use a bigger area!" - due to the old FUE-scars. In additon, around 200 grafts is EXTREMLY difficult and tiresome to analyze and to make good photos (ALL extraction sites clearly visible in 1 photo!).

All in all, as predicted - GAME (almost) OVER!

[Arashi]

OK, the way I see it is unless we get another photo in the next 24 hours then loads of these extraction points will fade, unless Hasci has taken a good after pic of the extraction (that would be ideal!)

I've circled anything that looked like an extraction, but I'm NOT saying for sure all these circles are the actual 203 extractions. I have circled approx 250 or 260.

Why we couldn't have just done 50 in a smaller area! Statistically it's better, but for ease of analysis it's awkward unless the pics are up to scratch.

Just need some others to do the same and come to a consensus which are the actual extractions and which are just maybe a bit of blood in the way or whatever!

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/...5/12656423.jpg

I really appreciate your effort, GC, but let's first see if HASCI has taken better pictures themselves and hopefully James can shoot some good ones today. If not, we're doomed to what we have and I'll have a go at it as well.

[Arashi]

BTW, you also encircled in the scar: that's recipient, no donor.

[gc83uk]

Good work gc! I'm surprised...

That's a backhanded compliment if I ever saw one

Your last point about the area is true, it's a shame that we are testing on a repair patient, however I still appreciate James' contribution with this, we'll just have to make the best of it!

[Arashi]

Good work gc! I'm surprised...

Nevertheless - I think the game is over. Here are the reasons:

1) Let's assume Kristel is able to come-up with Day-0 photos, these photos must be

a) extremely good close-up photos (I doubt that - as predicted);
b) even so, as you and other HST patients know, the extraction area is immediately after extractions mostly "too unclean" - or in other words, mostly not clean enough (due to a mix of blood-clots and the Fucidine-cream) to see really CLEAN extraction sites.

2) As you just noticed yourself - IF JamesBald is unable to take REALLY good photos within the coming 24 hours - THE GAME WILL BE OVER!

Furthermore, the extraction area itself is simply too big - and that's exactly why I initially meant "Kristel will be forced to use a bigger area!" - due to the old FUE-scars. In additon, around 200 grafts is EXTREMLY difficult and tiresome to analyze and to make good photos (ALL extraction sites clearly visible in 1 photo!).

All in all, as predicted - GAME (almost) OVER!

I do agree it's extremely important James puts in some great effort here today in shooting pictures, otherwise the analysis is going to be way more difficult and way less reliable.

[gc83uk]

BTW, you also encircled in the scar: that's recipient, no donor.

OK, that kind of explains something! Where exactly is this scar? Either post the pic or just edit my photo directly showing which are not donor!

[Arashi]

OK, that kind of explains something! Where exactly is this scar? Either post the pic or just edit my photo directly showing which are not donor!

http://picturepush.com/public/12659075

I think this picture is quite good to get at least all extraction points left of the scar

[gc83uk]

http://picturepush.com/public/12659075

I think this picture is quite good to get at least all extraction points left of the scar

OK, so where have I encircled recipient grafts?

[Arashi]

OK, so where have I encircled recipient grafts?

Well, I was just encircling extraction points on the photo I just posted, and weird thing is that I got over 200, just on that photo, while there's missing a huge part right of the scar ...

[gc83uk]

Well, I was just encircling extraction points on the photo I just posted, and weird thing is that I got over 200, just on that photo, while there's missing a huge part right of the scar ...

Hmm ok, so the photo I uploaded doesn't include ALL the extraction points, no? I must be missing some to the left?

Is the scar actually in the picture which I used and encircled? If so whereabouts is it?