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80% of grafts regenerate? So are you saying the graft doesn't have to return to it's original state to be considered regenerating? e.g Start with a 2 FU, a 2 FU regenerates in the donor and this is 100% regrowth, however if only a single hair regrows from a 2 hair FU are you saying this is 50% or 100% regrowth?
BTW I'm only asking this so I know we're all on the same page so to speak, not to try to catch you out or anything.Comment
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Hehe. This is just a terminology discussion and to me it's rather pointless but ok. What I'm saying: when we analysed your scalp, we saw 80% of grafts regenerate. However, quite a few 2 hair graft regenerated as 1 hair grafts. Hence JJJJRS found out that if we were looking at haircount, not 80% but 65% of hairs regenerated. So yeah, if you count a 2 hair graft regenerating as 1, you'd see 80%. But if you'd look at the HAIRS you'd see 65% regenerate.Comment
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I've started counting though and I'd say we're going to end even closer to 500 than 400.
But yeah, I'll email Kristel and ask her take on all of this. But to me it's obvious that HASCI is expecting to see 250 hairs in recipient. Cause they labled 150 hairs as single (usable) grafts and 50 hairs as double (usable) grafts.Comment
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if you go by hasci theres 250 HAIRS in petri...those in singles partition are expected to grow s singles, theya re ones in Jameses hairline...OK..150 of them
doubles will grow as doubles..
real problem is that we have much more than 250 hairs....we cans see that in petri...
My theory is simple, they transected 2 hair grafts, one follicle left behind will grow and the other part in recipient will also grow...Comment
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But I think our implications are different. You're going to suggest that 1 hair grows in donor, 1 hair in recipient. That's really not necessarily true of courseComment
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'But to me it's obvious that HASCI is expecting to see 250 hairs in recipient. Cause they labled 150 hairs as single (usable) grafts and 50 hairs as double (usable) grafts. '
exactly....we have 500 hairs in petri and expectation will be 250....Comment
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how is it fair to expect 250 when its clear that these are just transected grafts, ex 2 hair grafts converted to 1s.....
JJJR was the first to point that out...Comment
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"It seems about 60% of the singles are 2 hairs'
Now im just waiting IM to say that they are all telogen hairs......feel sorry for James having so many hairs in non-growing phase...Comment
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JJJRS thinks 65% hairs regrow. That would mean James lost 154 in donor IF there are indeed 440 in petridish. If all hair in donor grows, we'll see 250 hairs there. 154 hairs sacrificied in donor, to achieve 250 in recipient. Hence 40% regrowth. That's been my point all along.Comment
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OK, so a 2 hair FU regrowing as a single is 50% regrowth, which we are agreed on.
If we're going on James petri dish of 200 grafts equating to e.g 500 extracted hairs, then you could also argue hypothetically that one of my procedures of 700 extracted grafts had 1750 hairs in the petri dish extracted. With 1000 hairs in my recipient from 700 grafts which I believe is fairly accurate, 750 hairs have gone missing.
So if your using the 65% figure of 'Hairs', then of the 1750 hairs extracted about 1100 regrow in the donor, but of these 1100, 750 never even grown in the recipient area (1750 - 1000), so perhaps only 350 hairs regrown from the actual 1000 hairs which are growing in the recipient.
So in effect your getting net gain on the head of 350 hairs from a 700 graft (1000 hair) procedure. So not doubling, but in my case, you start with 100 hairs and end up with 135ish.
There is nothing wrong with the above, still better than FUE.
I won't mention this again, honest!
I'll get on with counting.Comment
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Anyway, going to mail Kristel and see what she says about all thisComment
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