Spencer Gho trip

[FearTheLoss]

Sooo...when is spencer going over to video a procedure with Gho and meet a patient? This could end all of the "is Gho legit" arguments that go around

[534623]

This could end all of the "is Gho legit" arguments that go around

Is it still ongoing??

If so, what's wrong with that?
I like it. I mean, I like it to make doubters look like complete fools.

[FearTheLoss]

haha yeah it is, I'm definitely a Gho believer, but I do think it would be nice to at least have some nw5-nw2 pics from him or get the procedure clinically proved.

[didi]

Spence visit wont prove anything UNLESS they do 50 grafts test,

we need to know which grafts are taken out, what grows in donor and what grows in recipient...why its taking too long is beyond unbelievable,

Can somebody contact Spencer and explain to him importance of 50 graft test that will prove if HST works exactly as Dr Gho claims it works


Gho should extract 25 double grafts and 25 triplets, evaluate both donor and recipient and report what grows..simple

[hellouser]

Spence visit wont prove anything UNLESS they do 50 grafts test,

we need to know which grafts are taken out, what grows in donor and what grows in recipient...why its taking too long is beyond unbelievable,

Can somebody contact Spencer and explain to him importance of 50 graft test that will prove if HST works exactly as Dr Gho claims it works


Gho should extract 25 double grafts and 25 triplets, evaluate both donor and recipient and report what grows..simple

But this has been proven with so many members right here on BTT, there really shouldnt be a need for this.

[didi]

it hasnt been proven, all they did is prove that donor regenerates but nobody was looking at recipient...all we see is that there is something growing on top but we dont know if 3 hair follicle taken out of donor will regenerate as 3 hair and will grow as 3 hair FU in balding area..and how consistent hst is

people seem to be preoccupied with donor regrowth but its only part of HST story

[FearTheLoss]

I agree, but gk's story does prove something. He was only able to get 2000 grafts maximum, he was told by many doctors, and he has now well over 3000 from Gho and is going back for more!!

[FearTheLoss]

We should really really push spencer to make this happen...he could get his crown fixed and effectively prove that HST works...btw Ironman did you remove your post or a moderator???

[Zao]

I think Spencer want's to believe in it, that's why he has given Gho such huge exposure. I just don't think that he is in a position to prove the science, nor is it is place. Visiting won't prove anything like didi pointed out.

Gho needs to prove it himself, like all scientists have to. He needs to present his finding to his peers, other doctors. These doctors don't have to be hair transplant doctors, they can be dermatologists who are not involved in the hair transplant industry. I personally think that if it works, this is how he would go about, because it would circumvent the industry completely.

I am sure if the top dermatologists in europe agree that Gho is doing what he claims, that there would no longer be any question that it works. Gho does not need to be recognized by any of the hair transplant doctors or even Spencer(no disrespect intended) for that matter if he can prove it to the scientific community at large. A study proving this type of science would be accepted in an international journal like Nature.

If he could really prove the science a journal like this would accept his study with open arms and he would get international recognition, CNN type of coverage. This would be a much bigger breakthrough than some of the hair stuff published in that journal, so if it works it should be no problem to get his study published there.

My concern is that he's going about it in the usual hair loss business way, kind of like other doctors in the hair transplant industry go about things. They use paying customers to experiment on, say it works and start doing business. I wish he would just go about proving HST differently. I would personally love to try it, but I am not convinced. Pictures posted anonymously on a hair loss forum, are not enough to prove any type of science and it doesn't matter how loud people scream about it or fight about it, this is not proof.

I just wanted to point out the obvious. I think that if it really works, Gho's method of proving it would be much different. Just my humble opinion.

[FearTheLoss]

I think Spencer want's to believe in it, that's why he has given Gho such huge exposure. I just don't think that he is in a position to prove the science, nor is it is place. Visiting won't prove anything like didi pointed out.

Gho needs to prove it himself, like all scientists have to. He needs to present his finding to his peers, other doctors. These doctors don't have to be hair transplant doctors, they can be dermatologists who are not involved in the hair transplant industry. I personally think that if it works, this is how he would go about, because it would circumvent the industry completely.

I am sure if the top dermatologists in europe agree that Gho is doing what he claims, that there would no longer be any question that it works. Gho does not need to be recognized by any of the hair transplant doctors or even Spencer(no disrespect intended) for that matter if he can prove it to the scientific community at large. A study proving this type of science would be accepted in an international journal like Nature.

If he could really prove the science a journal like this would accept his study with open arms and he would get international recognition, CNN type of coverage. This would be a much bigger breakthrough than some of the hair stuff published in that journal, so if it works it should be no problem to get his study published there.

My concern is that he's going about it in the usual hair loss business way, kind of like other doctors in the hair transplant industry go about things. They use paying customers to experiment on, say it works and start doing business. I wish he would just go about proving HST differently. I would personally love to try it, but I am not convinced. Pictures posted anonymously on a hair loss forum, are not enough to prove any type of science and it doesn't matter how loud people scream about it or fight about it, this is not proof.

I just wanted to point out the obvious. I think that if it really works, Gho's method of proving it would be much different. Just my humble opinion.

I think if we got the photos of the nw7 conversion to nw2 that would be enough proof for me....but I'm guessing this was on a celebrity with major cash

[534623]

people seem to be preoccupied with donor regrowth but its only part of HST story

Correct - it's similar as with Dr. Gho's 2 follicles from 1 follicle story:

A part of the follicle remains in the donor and the other part is implanted in the recipient side - both parts have the capacity to produce a complete follicle.

So what part of this story do you still not understand?

The outcome of such a test:

1) First of all, there is not even the need to mark the extraction area with semi-permant tattoos or so - but a good quality BEFORE photo is necessary.

Extraction area: around 2-3 cm² (depends on the density and so that at least 1 FU is left behind between HST extractions);

2) 50 extractions in this 2-3 cm2 area + AFTER photo

3) implantation of these 50 grafts into a slick bald area - size: around 1.5-2 cm² + AFTER photo (implantation photo)

Result:
82.5% (+/-) regrowth sites in the donor side (50 extraction sites)
90 % (+/-) regrowth in the recipient side (40-45 implantation sites)

Note:
If you make just 50 extractions within a clear defined area and depending on the follicular unit characteristics (e.g. curved follicles due to curly hair etc), you can substract from these 50 grafts/extractions 5% up to 30% (!) - simply due to "failed extractions" (aka unusable grafts). So in this case, Gho can only implant 45 or just 40 grafts or so.

I would bet my ass - THIS would be the outcome after one year or so - what else?

[FearTheLoss]

I agree with Ironman and he has done very extensive research regarding this topic. This is going to be a huge year for the hair industry as HST, Histogen, and Aderans are all at the make or break point...we will know so much more on all of these this summer! exciting times!


Also, histogen combined with HST could be something amazing if they both prove what they have shown so far to be true!!

[JJJJrS]

The next analysis has to include the recipient in some way. The 50 graft test would be perfect because the analysis would be very manageable. For example, what interests me the most:

If 50 follicular units are extracted, each with an average of roughly 2 hairs per unit, which is a total of approx. 100 hairs, how many hairs will regenerate in the donor and how many hairs will yield in the recipient?

That's the final, conclusive evidence anyone could ask for and the nice thing is, it's very easy to accomplish and verify. I can't see any reason why Spencer couldn't set up something like this and I'm sure Gho would be receptive to the idea.

[FearTheLoss]

The next analysis has to include the recipient in some way. The 50 graft test would be perfect because the analysis would be very manageable. For example, what interests me the most:

If 50 follicular units are extracted, each with an average of roughly 2 hairs per unit, which is a total of approx. 100 hairs, how many hairs will regenerate in the donor and how many hairs will yield in the recipient?

That's the final, conclusive evidence anyone could ask for and the nice thing is, it's very easy to accomplish and verify. I can't see any reason why Spencer couldn't set up something like this and I'm sure Gho would be receptive to the idea.

I agree this needs to be settled once and for all.

[JJJJrS]

I agree this needs to be settled once and for all.

The more people that support this and ask, the faster we'll get to that point. That's the reason I joined the forums in the first place. I first noticed my hair loss 8 years ago and I've read the ***, HLH etc. forums on and off since then. The reason I decided to join less than a year ago is because I really believe that a proactive approach can make a difference in this case.

I've tried to do everything I can to analyse the procedure, get Spencer involved . Basically anything that will get us closer to a point where we can fully understand how well HST works in practice. I think we're only months away from reaching that goal now.