KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[shredder]

cob, so in other words, you got the "classic" fin sides from using the keratene capsules?

because when I tried fin for a short while I experienced exactely what you described (+ some ED).

[Cob984]

I noticed a bit more weight gain and also less libido, i cannot comment on erections since I only tried it for a week and didnt have sex that week, but i just seemed a bit disinterested really, usually after 2-3 days of no action i have a raging desire to look up some porno, had no interest at all while on this product, i.e. the capsules, but let me warn you my body is very androgen sensitive, i also tried fin for a week and the keratene capsules are definitely more tolerable

[shredder]

you are not the only who is very androgen sensitive - when I tried fin for a short while (2-3 weeks, 1 mg every other day) my libido was gone wit hthe wind, the thought of having sex seemed totally absurd. and I also experienced ED and groin pain (note: I had never had any problems in that department, on the contrary - I am normally very easily aroused).

I still don't see why keratene's product, which lowers dht, should not affect libido/erection - it simply does not make sense. the only explanation would be that fin has a stronger effect on the dht level, as others have mentioned - but if that's the only difference, then taking fin every other day may just have a similar effect.

maybe spencer should invite a represetative for keratene to the forum?

p.s.: I am also trying the topical products from keratene, i.e. the shampoo and the ultra complex. no notable changes yet, but I only started last tuesday, so it's to early for results anyway.

[Cob984]

I am so sensitive to this stuff that even the sercomplex was giving me cognitive sides etc, though its much better now, guess body is adjusting to it,
the topicals work well for me, they immediately give my hair more life after a wash,

Agree on the sides, its not logical that if the end result is the same, the sides arent,
the only reason id be more comfortable taking keratene is the PFS stuff, from saw palmetto experience i know that even though it gives me sides, they disappear soon after discontinuing it so i guess spends much less time lingering about in the system

[shredder]

may I ask how often you use the shampoo, and how often the serum?

I am using the shampoo every day, plus the ultra serum every other day - that's my plan at least.

[Cob984]

Shampoo - 3x/week, Serum 2/week
On days I dont use the products i use divine hair oil

[LongWayHome]

Cob, I have a question about the topicals:
Do they suppose to maintain or what? I didn't get it from their website,
Is it only shampoo and serum? Do you think it can inhibit DHT?
The website looks really professional and they really look solid but as always,
seems too good.

[Cob984]

Yea maintain i guess, i still think internal blockers are the only real way out of mpb but this is the next best thing, I have only been using the shampoo for a month and a half and the sercomplex about a week and a half, i dont think i have lost ground in that time frame though i have been experimenting with fin, the retard capsules etc unfortunately with sides during this time as well.

yes i believe it inhibits dht because i got some cognitive sides when i first start using the products very reminiscent of the finasteride brain fog,

[LongWayHome]

Alright man, then you know what, I'm joining you in this journey.
I was about to try RU but that was before I discovered this.
It's a new thing but I'm pretty sure it's not snake oil, it can only help,
the question is how much.
If this won't work, and I'll give it time, then I'll go for RU.
I'm going to use the pills and the topicals.
Will update next month.

[LongWayHome]

They say in their website that the Serum/Ultra therapy/shampoo/Conditioner
"May be used in combination with Finasteride or other (amino)minoxidil- or aminexil-based products, with restrictions."
Of course they don't say the same thing about the pills, the "retard" ones.
I am really having a hard time deciding what to do here.
I can buy RU and hope for the best, but of course it's a pain in the *** making it every day (I'm going on the home-made), on the other hand I belive that when doing it that right way, RU can work very well.
OR I can just go for the whole combination of Keratane pills, shampoo and serum/ultra therapy, and pray.

I wish I could have a peeking to the future and see what has been going on with this thread, if it became neogenic, or a solid stuff.
I guess I am the future and I will be the one to report.

[Cob984]

Wow Pills + topicals ? thats potent man, let me assure you one thing, these pills are strong and comparable to fin, i know cause i have tried them,

If you are just going by efficacy here I can guarantee you will not get stronger than the Keratene pills + topical route

[LongWayHome]

I had sides from fin so I hope I won't get them at the same level on those pills.
It wasn't about libido though.

I'll give it a go.
To the infinity, and beyond!

(if you don't hear from me, call 911)

[HARIRI]

I had sides from fin so I hope I won't get them at the same level on those pills.
It wasn't about libido though.

I'll give it a go.
To the infinity, and beyond!

(if you don't hear from me, call 911)

Same here Bro

I got bad libido sides from FIN and it got worser after 9 months of use. I started it December 2006 and quitted it September 2007. However I responded very well and restotred many hairs especially in the midscalp and crown with lowering DHT. Since then I have been depending on Hairomega DHT (Saw Palmetto ++) and Rogaine 5% and hairline transplant.

I will give it a go starting March 1 as I will place my order when I get back home frim vacation by mid February. Im super excited as you. Thanks YEAH YEAH YEAH for bringing this to us.

[HARIRI]

I had sides from fin so I hope I won't get them at the same level on those pills.
It wasn't about libido though.

I'll give it a go.
To the infinity, and beyond!

(if you don't hear from me, call 911)

Same here Bro

I got bad libido sides from FIN and it got worser after 9 months of use. I started it DEC 2006 and quitted it September 2007. However i responded very well and restotred si many hairs especially midscalp and crown with lowering DHT. Since then I have been depending on Saw Palmetto and Rogaine 5% and hairline transplant.

I will give it a go starting March 1 as I will place my order when i get back home frim vacation by mid February. Im super excited as you. Thanks YEAH YEAH YEAH for bringing this to us.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Same here Bro

I got bad libido sides from FIN and it got worser after 9 months of use. I started it DEC 2006 and quitted it September 2007. However i responded very well and restotred si many hairs especially midscalp and crown with lowering DHT. Since then I have been depending on Saw Palmetto and Rogaine 5% and hairline transplant.

I will give it a go starting March 1 as I will place my order when i get back home frim vacation by mid February. Im super excited as you. Thanks YEAH YEAH YEAH for bringing this to us.

Let me know how it goes guys.