New Stemcell Treatment Photos... wow?

[drnigams]

Neversay,Your suggestions,ironman and gc's documentation are good enough to provide you all ,what you are looking for.

QUOTE=neversaynever;96373]Dr nigam, thank you for the effort. I dont mean to be rude but the pho
tos are very poor quality...

I am able to achieve better quality myself at home with a very cheap camera. With a good camera you should be able to achieve far better.

Remember we need clarity for the following reasons:

- So we can see regeneration of 2 and 3 hair follicles
- so we can count hairs easily
- so we can match the hairs from each photo

Remember also that

- patients in photos need to have short hair
- you can take many photos and choose the best match
- you can include tatoo or use a natural birth mark

IF those criterea are not met, the evidence is of no use.

Angles and lighting are important, but not as important as clarity. The lighting just has to be good enough so we can see hairs clearly.

I will be in mumbai in febuary, i really hope we can see better evidence before then.

Thank you again for the efforts.[/QUOTE]

[Artista]

Dr Nigam,,fair enough. We will await your updated reports

[Artista]

Dr Nigam,,fair enough. We will await your updated reports , we appreciate your openness to the suggestions given to you here.

[DepressedSad]

Ive have be slowly receding from 2010 to end of 2011, and then it got really really aggresive in 2012, and really bad. Diffussed thinning, receded temples. Well before I go on I want to wish all of you a happy new year and hope this year all of you become happier and filled with luck! I know im not, it really hurts when your 24 and almost bald, you feel like life isnt life anymore Anyway, Ive been going through these forums for the past 2 months heavy, while depressed crying etc. and am ashamed to see that literally weve passed 5 years since 2007 when major advanced said they would happen and LITERALLY nothing, not a single thing has done. Face it, we have entered 2013, like it was 2007, false hope. We need to work together to devise a cure with each others knowledge. We have so many bright people, stop with the offensive critque, shut up, and lets work together. I have no knowledge on this, and do not believe in the whole DHT crap being the reason. It might be part of it, but there has to be a bigger reason. Lets work together guys, please.

[One]

Dr Nigam do you will participate at "The ISHRS Annual Scientific Meeting" in San Francisco on 23-27 October 2013?

[drnigams]

One,
Yes ,this is the meeting i am concentrating on.

Dr Nigam do you will participate at "The ISHRS Annual Scientific Meeting" in San Francisco on 23-27 October 2013?

[neversaynever]

Dr Nigam, to present your findings / data / thoughts / results at that meeting you will have to change the way you operate completely.

1. Your website
2. Evidence collection
3. Scientific / technical details

You need to address the way you present yourself to people outside of india. Here is one of MANY examples of plagiarism from your website:

http://www.drnigams.net/Beard-Hair-Transplant.html

All the information and pictures are copied, word for word, from:

http://www.ushairrestoration.com/blog/category/hair-transplant-surgery/facial-hair-transplant-hair-transplant-surgery/

This is just one of 100 examples. What surprises me is that you talk of doing a scientific publication very soon, but can not take photographic evidence properly yet. Not just photo's for us, but photos for your own data collection and studies. You have yet to provide any new scientific insight into your procedures or any data regarding your mysterious 'stem cell activation' injections. It has all been information from older studies by other scientists.

At this meeting, such photos and vague information will not be tolerated. You need to find a consultant of some kind, who understands what is required and has the connections to improve your connection with the western consumer. You will need another consultant to help you write a scientific publication.

We are still waiting for something that makes us think 'wow'. We all hope you are the real deal, and we await some professional communication from you.

I cant make this clear enough...to present your work at these meetings, you need proof. Properly presented proof.

Good luck.

[drnigams]

I understand Neversay, it is not difficult but it definitely needs commitment , time ,personal supervision and team work with my fellow collegues in the clinic for documentation.
If i mention too much about the details of every aspects of my HM ,it will take few months to replicate the same by the competitors.
In India it is opposite of western world wherein people are not looking for too much technical stuff.
Ofcourse for the western world the requirements are different.It is not rocket science to satisfy them but due to time constraint it is taking some time.
Have just ordered a macro lense costing 1000$ today,should receive in a week.Regarding certain content on the website ,i have to find some time and dictate my explanation on the subject to the web designer.It is not that i don't have the content. more than the website i have written on the forums.
My brand name was enough with our track record till know, until i met you all. HM is not mysterious for me,How much has aderans,histogen,replicell disclosed except their clinical findings.Many companies like neograft,dhi,CIT,acell have documented themself so well,except few, how effective are others.Any product which comes to the market whether good or fake knows how to document and present
Great presentations does not necessarily mean, more effective product.You may not like FUT but so many top doctors prefer the technique and document very well.Iwill not disappoint you all,but will take some time.
If i would not have been getting results how come i have 15 bedded HT centre, and doing one of the highest number of HT procedures per month.

[neversaynever]

I understand Neversay, it is not difficult but it definitely needs commitment , time ,personal supervision and team work with my fellow collegues in the clinic for documentation.
If i mention too much about the details of every aspects of my HM ,it will take few months to replicate the same by the competitors.
In India it is opposite of western world wherein people are not looking for too much technical stuff.
Ofcourse for the western world the requirements are different.It is not rocket science to satisfy them but due to time constraint it is taking some time.
Have just ordered a macro lense costing 1000$ today,should receive in a week.
My brand name was enough with our track record till know, until i met you all. HM is not mysterious for me,How much has aderans,histogen,replicell disclosed except their clinical findings.Many companies like neograft,dhi,CIT,acell have documented themself so well,except few, how effective are others.Any product which comes to the market whether good or fake knows how to document and present
Great presentations does not necessarily mean, more effective product.You may not like FUT but so many top doctors prefer the technique and document very well.Iwill not disappoint you all,but will take some time.
If i would not have been getting results how come i have 15 bedded HT centre, and doing one of the highest number of HT procedures per month.

Thats why we stay curious. Though we have no proof yet, you seem to be very succesful in what youre doing, so maybe youre doing something right.

its true presentation is not everything, but in order to present to your peers presentation is important. Its just one aspect of your brand. The most important being the product and the science behind it. I've said before, Im coming to india in febuary, i cut my hair grade 0 short (the shortest it can get). My case would easily prove or disprove your doubling technique, or HM. Because i would never grow my hair long. So maybe we can make some kind of deal?

[drnigams]

Sure like OBI i will not be charging you except my cost of solutions imported from US,you have already paid my fees by helping me out to improve and i appreciate that, i hope two, three cases from forum are easy for trust rather than any amount of presentations,which are though, interesting and exciting..

QUOTE=neversaynever;96623]Thats why we stay curious. Though we have no proof yet, you seem to be very succesful in what youre doing, so maybe youre doing something right.

its true presentation is not everything, but in order to present to your peers presentation is important. Its just one aspect of your brand. The most important being the product and the science behind it. I've said before, Im coming to india in febuary, i cut my hair grade 0 short (the shortest it can get). My case would easily prove or disprove your doubling technique, or HM. Because i would never grow my hair long. So maybe we can make some kind of deal?[/QUOTE]

[StinkySmurf]

I did my photos by marking spot in my living room with sellotape. I would stand in that spot (chose it because of the way the light hits my head was ideal), draw the curtains, and got my gf to take a few photos while matching the previous photo on a laptop screen.

This might be amatuer, the lighting wasnt an exact match, we knew roughly the camera needs to be 1 foot away (lumix doesnt have macro mode).

Im able to count, over months, each hair in the same region (shaved head obviously). My skin tone was slightly different in each one, but the point is we could count the hairs. I was also logical enough to choose a section to monitor and ensure the camera was not at an angle to that section, so there was a clear view of all the hairs. 10 photos each time, choose the best one, or do it over again.

Thank you NeverSayNever for writing a dang procedure down! I know it seems like a simple thing, but I've tried to take pictures of my bald spot ever since GC83UK posted his pictures, and everyone of them has turned out bad. Those damn bald spot pics pop up and annoy me every time I plug my phone in, and thats why I said to OBI before he left it would be harder than expected to produce convincing pictures.

I think good digital proof is a challenge from more than a professional photography perspective too because with a new thing like hair multiplication we may need different proof than we needed for HST so I think it's good that NeverSayNever has pointed out not just a procedure but some of the rationale for taking these photos.

While we haven't seen any real proof of Dr. Nigam's procedure yet, I think it's worth mentioning how Dr. Gho's proof came not from Dr. Gho himself, but from a client, and so you have to give credit to Dr. Nigam for doing what Dr. Gho hasn't.

I still have a lot of questions, but I hope Dr. Nigam can produce photos that meet with the forum members approval soon because I don't see any point in going to India until he can take proper photos with local clients.

As far as getting published goes, I think it's worth pointing out that Dr. Gho is published, and it definitely seems it helped Dr. Gho, but it's not an absolute given that it will help Dr. Nigam to spend the time and money it takes to get published, and I believe it was Aderans who once said in response to a question on getting published something to the effect of... "Our focus will not be on Research and Education. Our focus will be on Research and Development."

[StinkySmurf]

Trip to India in January or February

Sure like OBI i will not be charging you except my cost of solutions imported from US,you have already paid my fees by helping me out to improve and i appreciate that, i hope two, three cases from forum are easy for trust rather than any amount of presentations,which are though, interesting and exciting..

Thats why we stay curious. Though we have no proof yet, you seem to be very succesful in what youre doing, so maybe youre doing something right.

its true presentation is not everything, but in order to present to your peers presentation is important. Its just one aspect of your brand. The most important being the product and the science behind it. I've said before, Im coming to india in febuary, i cut my hair grade 0 short (the shortest it can get). My case would easily prove or disprove your doubling technique, or HM. Because i would never grow my hair long. So maybe we can make some kind of deal?

Dr. Nigam,

I would also like to take the offer of a free HM procedure. I'm willing to setup a blog and write about my experience with Dr. Nigam's Hair Multiplication, and I purchased the domain name below for that very purpose:

http://www.blankpate.com/

I have not even begun to ask about the safety of HM. I still have a lot of questions, and I can't promise I'm going to have even the extraction procedure done when I get there, but it would be nice to come at the same time as Roland Lauster towards the end of January or at the same time as NeverSayNever in February so that if possible I can meet them as well.

One concern I have is this might be a scam to trick me out of my money once I get to India so if i'm not paying anything that would obviously eliminates that concern, and I am a Norwood 3V, which I believe was the minimum requirement for Aderan's trial because they wanted to measure growth in the vertex, and I'm willing to put a tattoo on my vertex and to shave my head if thats what it takes to prove this works.

[clandestine]

I think we should get the doctor on the podcast. Both Spencer and Dr Nigam have expressed interest in doing so, and it's time we made it happen.

[drnigams]

Smurf First 2to 3 cases I am ok as mentioned to neversay,Dr Lindner Gerd part of the team and the co presenter with lauster is coming with his ceo on 27th jan to 30th jan2013.

Dr. Nigam,

I would also like to take the offer of a free HM procedure. I'm willing to setup a blog and write about my experience with Dr. Nigam's Hair Multiplication, and I purchased the domain name below for that very purpose:

http://www.blankpate.com/

I have not even begun to ask about the safety of HM. I still have a lot of questions, and I can't promise I'm going to have even the extraction procedure done when I get there, but it would be nice to come at the same time as Roland Lauster towards the end of January or at the same time as NeverSayNever in February so that if possible I can meet them as well.

One concern I have is this might be a scam to trick me out of my money once I get to India so if i'm not paying anything that would obviously eliminates that concern, and I am a Norwood 3V, which I believe was the minimum requirement for Aderan's trial because they wanted to measure growth in the vertex, and I'm willing to put a tattoo on my vertex and to shave my head if thats what it takes to prove this works.[/QUOTE]

[StinkySmurf]

I think we should get the doctor on the podcast. Both Spencer and Dr Nigam have expressed interest in doing so, and it's time we made it happen.

Me too! I wanted to see pics from OBI to verify that something like a hair transplant clinic actually exists at that address, and good photographic evidence is important to establish too, but an interview with Spencer seems like the easiest thing you can do at this point besides video taping the injection procedure. To not do an interview with Spencer makes you wonder why you're doing anything else.