Histogen update from the ISHRS 2012

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  • 2020
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1513

    #16
    first they give you 30%-60% after three months then at the bottom it's 18% after 48 weeks... a simple table with each row being a different subject and hair % change as individual cells would have sufficed.

    Data shows that men over 40 respond extremely well to HSC, as shown in both Honduras and Philippine trials
    from what I see, both groups responded in the same way.

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    • 2020
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 1513

      #17
      Originally posted by 534623
      The before/after photos of trail subject S2005 (page 13) are very ... hmmm ... amusing?
      are you talking about the fact that that person has lost vellus hair density? That would actually be a good sign since all those vellus hair become terminal hair thus the person will have less vellus hair but more terminal hair.

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      • 534623
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 1854

        #18
        Originally posted by 2020
        are you talking about the fact that that person has lost vellus hair density? That would actually be a good sign since all those vellus hair become terminal hair thus the person will have less vellus hair but more terminal hair.
        hmmm, and how this work (besides the hair comb-over) in just 13-19 weeks??
        Originally posted by Westonci

        19 Weeks

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        • 2020
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 1513

          #19
          Originally posted by 534623
          hmmm, and how this work (besides the hair comb-over) in just 13-19 weeks??
          It is a combover yes I mentioned that before. I'm not saying that HSC had no effect here, but obviously those scientists found a way to embellish those results. It looks much better than it actually is and since this is probably their best result, I'm guessing the rest look even worse...

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          • Desmond84
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2012
            • 987

            #20
            OMG, Ziering is gonna be giving 40 more injections at week 12 and 16 in broader treatment areas!!!

            If this proves safe, our assumption was right: "You need 200 shots to cover the whole scalp and you walk out a hairy man"

            God I just wish this wasn't due out in 2016

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            • 2020
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 1513

              #21
              Originally posted by Desmond84
              OMG, Ziering is gonna be giving 40 more injections at week 12 and 16 in broader treatment areas!!!

              If this proves safe, our assumption was right: "You need 200 shots to cover the whole scalp and you walk out a hairy man"

              God I just wish this wasn't due out in 2016
              the injections were already done and what makes you think 20 shots in 10 spots constitutes a full head of hair? What makes you think that would even restore decent density?

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              • rdawg
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 996

                #22
                Originally posted by 2020
                the injections were already done and what makes you think 20 shots in 10 spots constitutes a full head of hair? What makes you think that would even restore decent density?
                The pictures alone show that they gained at least some density. There is definitely some growth there. With projections for even more growth as time goes by.

                Theoretically wouldn't more injections=more hair?

                You seem awfully negative about this for little reason 2020.

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                • Desmond84
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 987

                  #23
                  Originally posted by 2020
                  the injections were already done and what makes you think 20 shots in 10 spots constitutes a full head of hair? What makes you think that would even restore decent density?
                  2020 wouldn't it be a massive improvement to what we can do today though? You'll have a ot of your confidence back!

                  Baby steps brother

                  You know, I'm sure that by 2020 Tsuji labs, Aderans, Replicel or some unknown company will most likely find a way to reproduce unlimited donor supply for you to get back to your teen years. I mean that's a given. We just need something to give us the boost the big 3 couldn't until we get our hands on the real solution

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                  • Desmond84
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 987

                    #24
                    Originally posted by 2020
                    the injections were already done and what makes you think 20 shots in 10 spots constitutes a full head of hair? What makes you think that would even restore decent density?
                    Btw, are u serious? when did he do the injections? So is the timeline is past the 18 week mark? OMG OMG OMG

                    Also, isn't it weird that they checked to see if they maintained their hair at the 1-year follow-up, but not the 2-year follow-up?!

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                    • 2020
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1513

                      #25
                      Histogen is all in or not. NW6 to Fabio or nothing. If you can grow 20% hair, then you can grow (20*1000)% hair. The problem is that if that's the case, then their treatment wouldn't be practical and most people wouldn't be interested.

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                      • yeahyeahyeah
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1776

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Desmond84
                        OMG, Ziering is gonna be giving 40 more injections at week 12 and 16 in broader treatment areas!!!

                        If this proves safe, our assumption was right: "You need 200 shots to cover the whole scalp and you walk out a hairy man"

                        God I just wish this wasn't due out in 2016
                        Is it out in 2016 for certain?

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                        • UK Boy
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 240

                          #27
                          Does this confuse/worry anyone else?

                          The Company is currently looking to sell 23 million shares of Series B PreferredStock at $1 per share to accredited investors(i.e., investors whose net worth, including the fmv of their home, exceeds $1 million and whose annual income exceeds $200,000).
                          To date, $3.3 million is committed.The proceeds from the financing will be used to:
                          Complete large animal and clinical serum (ADA) testing required before starting the next HSC clinical trialComplete Scale-up of GMP Manufacturing
                          Complete two preclinical studies with oncology product
                          Prepare and submit IND for Phase I pancreatic cancer trial
                          Support worldwide development of patent portfolio

                          Why do they need to do 'Large animal and clinical serum testing before they start the next HSC trial? They've been doing human testing so why're they going back to animal testing? So this means they're not gonna move straight on to Phase IIb let alone Phase III?! It's also worrying that they need more money before moving on, how long will it take them to get it together? This all seemed positive til I read that last section but not one else seems bothered by it so maybe I'm mis-understanding somehow?

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                          • 2020
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1513

                            #28
                            Forget those Tokyo guys... you know what makes good headlines? space elevators and ****ing jetpacks. Those two are not happening in your lifetime but those who talk that talk are having some immediate benefit whether it's in their career or their bank accounts. Nothing is happening. It's all hype. All those MBA types have infiltrated science community so that's why everything is bullshit nowadays with no real progress being made

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                            • rdawg
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 996

                              #29
                              Originally posted by UK Boy
                              The Company is currently looking to sell 23 million shares of Series B PreferredStock at $1 per share to accredited investors(i.e., investors whose net worth, including the fmv of their home, exceeds $1 million and whose annual income exceeds $200,000).
                              To date, $3.3 million is committed.The proceeds from the financing will be used to:
                              Complete large animal and clinical serum (ADA) testing required before starting the next HSC clinical trialComplete Scale-up of GMP Manufacturing
                              Complete two preclinical studies with oncology product
                              Prepare and submit IND for Phase I pancreatic cancer trial
                              Support worldwide development of patent portfolio

                              Why do they need to do 'Large animal and clinical serum testing before they start the next HSC trial? They've been doing human testing so why're they going back to animal testing? So this means they're not gonna move straight on to Phase IIb let alone Phase III?! It's also worrying that they need more money before moving on, how long will it take them to get it together? This all seemed positive til I read that last section but not one else seems bothered by it so maybe I'm mis-understanding somehow?
                              Well it says "complete" so maybe they've already begun it? really not sure on that one, maybe just a safety test before moving on.

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                              • rdawg
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 996

                                #30
                                Originally posted by 2020
                                Forget those Tokyo guys... you know what makes good headlines? space elevators and ****ing jetpacks. Those two are not happening in your lifetime but those who talk that talk are having some immediate benefit whether it's in their career or their bank accounts. Nothing is happening. It's all hype. All those MBA types have infiltrated science community so that's why everything is bullshit nowadays with no real progress being made
                                Seriously what are you talking about?

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