Cetirizine

[Pate]

The suggested vehicle for cetirizine is 50ml water, 30ml alcohol, and 20ml ppg. Could I lower the alcohol and ppg and still receive the benefits they provide (which I'm assuming is faster drying and better absorption)?

Nobody knows for sure, but check out casperz's results, they were achieved using just cet in tap water.

I'm using just demineralised water, which is ok but I do have issues with evaporation. I've mentioned here before that if you want to use just water, consider a higher concentration so you don't need to apply as much liquid.

[doke]

Ill do better i will give you the mixing this is for one weeks use using 4mls a day.
1: 21 MLS OF ALCOHOL EVERCLEAR 100% OR POLISH 99% VODKA I GOT 88% PROOF.
2: 9MLS PRO GLYCOL.
3:750MG RU
AND JUST SHAKE TO MIX THIS 30MLS i buy the way am using 2mls a day so should last over a week.

When you weigh the ru i am not sure as my digital scales are in grams so i weighed out 0.7.5 grames correct me it thats not 750mgs?

[casperz]

The suggested vehicle for cetirizine is 50ml water, 30ml alcohol, and 20ml ppg. Could I lower the alcohol and ppg and still receive the benefits they provide (which I'm assuming is faster drying and better absorption)?

The first two batches I made (60 days worth) were tap water and Cet only
because I did not want to go to a lot of trouble.

It seems to be showing results but the alcohol and PG in minox is there for a
reason and that is to increase absorption and I assume it would work the same way
with a Cetrizine mix. The last(current) batch I did I used Cet/alcohol/PG.

I remember reading a study that showed the more alcohol there is in a mix the higher
absorption up to a point. I think that point was 80% alcohol, the downside was more
scalp irritation with higher alcohol concentrations. Minox I believe is 50% alcohol. The PG
is used to reduce evaporation and not leave the minox (or Cetrizine) sitting on your scalp.
I think the closer you stick to the standard minox mix the closer you will be to maximum effect
with least irritation as I'm sure that was one of the things they worked out in clinical trials
for minox.

[thechamp]

Casper

Casper so why not crush cet tablets in to minoxidil?

[Conpecia]

Just checked the German forums and it looks like they are maxing out at the "lots of small terminal hairs" stage, nobody has made a real breakthrough with regrowth.

Be that as it may, I'm not hearing anyone say their shedding has gotten any worse, so while this may not be the knockout regrowth solution we hoped it would be, it still might stop further loss cheaply with no side effects, so we're still looking at a promising treatment, and PGD2 still seems like a good theory. We just need something stronger.

[hellouser]

Just checked the German forums and it looks like they are maxing out at the "lots of small terminal hairs" stage, nobody has made a real breakthrough with regrowth.

Be that as it may, I'm not hearing anyone say their shedding has gotten any worse, so while this may not be the knockout regrowth solution we hoped it would be, it still might stop further loss cheaply with no side effects, so we're still looking at a promising treatment, and PGD2 still seems like a good theory. We just need something stronger.

I wonder if it would be enough to half further hair loss...

[doke]

Casper so why not crush cet tablets in to minoxidil?

Hi champ there is nothing to stop you trying that even putting ru into minox which i did with el dut giving me the instructions.

[Conpecia]

I wonder if it would be enough to half further hair loss...

Time will tell. If it can thicken what I have and stop further loss until 2015 I'll be completely satisfied.

I'm about to order all the stuff:
- 500 cetirizine tablets
- 500ml pg
- 1 gallon of distilled water
- mortar and pestle

Got it all on Amazon.

I'm wondering if I need the alcohol? Could I just leave it out or does it work in harmony with the pg? Total vehicle noob here.

[doke]

Time will tell. If it can thicken what I have and stop further loss until 2015 I'll be completely satisfied.

I'm about to order all the stuff:
- 500 cetirizine tablets
- 500ml pg
- 1 gallon of distilled water
- mortar and pestle

Got it all on Amazon.

I'm wondering if I need the alcohol? Could I just leave it out or does it work in harmony with the pg? Total vehicle noob here.

I would not waste money buying a lot like that as it may not work.

[thechamp]

I think

I think you should google the strongest over the counter pgd2 blocker you can find and try that

[goingquick]

Where can I find the strongest combination of alcohol and water without any other additives? I went to purchase Ethyl Alcohol at Walgreens and it's got a bunch of other ingredients, including acetone.

Just checked the German forums and it looks like they are maxing out at the "lots of small terminal hairs" stage, nobody has made a real breakthrough with regrowth.

I'm still skeptical Cet really does anything at all, but if that's true and Cet can grow small terminal hairs that's more than good enough to turn the "Big 3" into the "Big 4" in my book.

[hellouser]

Just checked the German forums and it looks like they are maxing out at the "lots of small terminal hairs" stage, nobody has made a real breakthrough with regrowth.

Be that as it may, I'm not hearing anyone say their shedding has gotten any worse, so while this may not be the knockout regrowth solution we hoped it would be, it still might stop further loss cheaply with no side effects, so we're still looking at a promising treatment, and PGD2 still seems like a good theory. We just need something stronger.

The small terminal hairs were grown at slick bald spots, but do you know what they were saying the effects are in areas where there already are velus hairs, ie; around the hairline? What about in areas of thinning? I imagine that if slick bald spots were affected with minimal regrowth, it should do something to existing areas of hair, no?

I'm hoping it adds density... or better yet, touch up the hairline!

[bananana]

The small terminal hairs were grown at slick bald spots, but do you know what they were saying the effects are in areas where there already are velus hairs, ie; around the hairline? What about in areas of thinning? I imagine that if slick bald spots were affected with minimal regrowth, it should do something to existing areas of hair, no?

I'm hoping it adds density... or better yet, touch up the hairline!

My thoughts also. I'm diffuse thinning, I'm using msm/vitc and it got me rid of itch and oil. Now I'm looking for some regrowth. So cetirizine didnt provide better growth than small terminal hairs? Perhaps a stronger antihistamine is needed? Or something added to the mix? Can it thicken thinning hair?

I just need something to ride out the "waiting wave" (until histogen, aderans, replicel give their products out.. 2-5 years at least)

[rdawg]

My thoughts also. I'm diffuse thinning, I'm using msm/vitc and it got me rid of itch and oil. Now I'm looking for some regrowth. So cetirizine didnt provide better growth than small terminal hairs? Perhaps a stronger antihistamine is needed? Or something added to the mix? Can it thicken thinning hair?

I just need something to ride out the "waiting wave" (until histogen, aderans, replicel give their products out.. 2-5 years at least)

yea we're in a 3-4 year transition period. Do whatever you can to hold on to what you have right now as you never know what the next product will do or how much growth it will give.

I'd still wait a bit on cetirizine here, it's only been a few months for some of those people.

[Pate]

Just checked the German forums and it looks like they are maxing out at the "lots of small terminal hairs" stage, nobody has made a real breakthrough with regrowth.

Be that as it may, I'm not hearing anyone say their shedding has gotten any worse, so while this may not be the knockout regrowth solution we hoped it would be, it still might stop further loss cheaply with no side effects, so we're still looking at a promising treatment, and PGD2 still seems like a good theory. We just need something stronger.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that regrowth could be expected to slow because these hairs are all sprouting together. A thicker hair takes longer to cycle so you'd expect that after an initial burst of growth, they would basically sit for a while until the next cycle of resting then growing again.

So the next couple of months will be critical. There may be another shed followed by even stronger growth. Or it may just stay as is.

Regardless, this is really the first medication ever to have apparently grown terminal hair on slick bald scalp. We don't know what to expect. It may take more than 12 months to get a true, full length terminal hair, because it may take many cycles to repair fully.

Or it may be a dead end... The joys of being at the cutting edge of science!