Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[Erick]

12 month dedication required!

Man why does this disease take so long to treat, it so retarded we have to wait so much before we see any results.

On a side note gutted, I should be getting my case of Neogenic this week, what are you using to apply it?

[measured optimism]

Gutted, thanks for sharing this info. Interesting and promising stuff!

I too have gone to using generic ingredients, but I have wondered what is so important about the BCAA to l-carnitine ratio? Anyone?

Also where on the trx2 site is there mention of msm being supportive of the mechanism? I have started on 2gms msm per day, how much vitamin C do I need to take along with it?

Best.

[gutted]

Man why does this disease take so long to treat, it so retarded we have to wait so much before we see any results.

It takes 10-20 years for any sign of mpb to kick in you should expect results to appear in a similar manner.
At least with this combo early results are noticeable within the first few weeks of starting (providing your not on any sort of androgen suppression)
With propecia it takes 12-24 months and even then its not garaunteed to "work" for you when in theory it should be "garaunteed" since you are removing, (what you believe to be) the cause of mpb, should it not?

On a side note gutted, I should be getting my case of Neogenic this week, what are you using to apply it?

i wouldnt get your hopes up on this, it should be treated as just another growth stimulant. If you dont address the cause of mpb then any growth from this will be offset against your uncontrolled mpb giving you the perception that its not grown a single hair.

Think of it like this -> you originally had 10 hairs on a region of scalp and you grow 5 new hairs in the same region of your scalp using neogenic BUT you at the same time lose 5 hairs from that region to mpb = you still end up with a baseline net total of 10 hairs in that region. Pretty much pointless.

[gutted]

Gutted, thanks for sharing this info. Interesting and promising stuff!

I too have gone to using generic ingredients, but I have wondered what is so important about the BCAA to l-carnitine ratio? Anyone?

I have no idea. I guess only they know the secret to thier sauce.

Also where on the trx2 site is there mention of msm being supportive of the mechanism? I have started on 2gms msm per day, how much vitamin C do I need to take along with it?

Best.

its on there somewhere, when i look for it again i will post the link. I think i read it on the blog somehwere.

[MrBlonde]

It takes 10-20 years for any sign of mpb to kick in you should expect results to appear in a similar manner.
At least with this combo early results are noticeable within the first few weeks of starting

Exactly what signs are you talking about here gutted?

[gutted]

Exactly what signs are you talking about here gutted?

discussed in the first few pages somewhere ->

The first results in order are -
1 - reduced oily dandruff and itchiness - approx 3/4 weeks in
2 - reduced shed rate - approx 2/3/4 months in
3 - improved density - 6/9/12 months in
4 - stableisation of mpb

[Erick]

discussed in the first few pages somewhere ->

The first results in order are -
1 - reduced oily dandruff and itchiness - approx 3/4 weeks in
2 - reduced shed rate - approx 2/3/4 months in
3 - improved density - 6/9/12 months in
4 - stableisation of mpb

You mentioned that something about androgen which I am not really knowledgeable about this.

Here is what I am taking

1. Fin (about 2 years on it, and happy to say it has worked great for me and basically stopped the hairloss)
2. Nizoral 1% (once a week)
3. Sulfate free shampoo
4. MSM

Does anything there contain androgen?

[gutted]

You mentioned that something about androgen which I am not really knowledgeable about this.

Here is what I am taking

1. Fin (about 2 years on it, and happy to say it has worked great for me and basically stopped the hairloss)
2. Nizoral 1% (once a week)
3. Sulfate free shampoo
4. MSM

Does anything there contain androgen?

dht & testosterone = androgens

[MrBlonde]

Gutted did you go through an shed phase when starting MSMS/Vit C/TRX2 like those associated with Minox or Fin?

If so how long did it last and how severe was it?

[gutted]

Gutted did you go through an shed phase when starting MSMS/Vit C/TRX2 like those associated with Minox or Fin?

If so how long did it last and how severe was it?

no there will be no shed.
If you percieve more shedding of hair, it is only hair that would have shedded anyway OR shedding becausing your on other treatments that are inducing these sheds.
You should experience a reduction in these sheds by months 3+.

[ovoxo]

since taking msm, I got reaction that I have different body odor. Anyone experienced it?

[MrBlonde]

no there will be no shed.
If you percieve more shedding of hair, it is only hair that would have shedded anyway OR shedding becausing your on other treatments that are inducing these sheds.
You should experience a reduction in these sheds by months 3+.

Thanks for the reply. How long has it been since you hit the 12 month mark on this regime? and how much density would you say you have gained? and would you consider your MPB has stopped right now ie no shedding and thicker hair?

Would you say the results are better or worse than those seen here with Minox/FIN?

http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/medical-treatment/patient-photos/

[gutted]

since taking msm, I got reaction that I have different body odor. Anyone experienced it?

yes! its because of the sulphur!

[gutted]

Thanks for the reply. How long has it been since you hit the 12 month mark on this regime? and how much density would you say you have gained? and would you consider your MPB has stopped right now ie no shedding and thicker hair?

Would you say the results are better or worse than those seen here with Minox/FIN?

http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/medi...atient-photos/

12 month was reached earlier this year in january.

ive regained a lot of lost hair for sure, id say about 50% and i still consider myself to be regaining the lost hairs over time.

i recentley introduced some new supplements in may to august so did experience a shed during this period,which are begining to return since stopping, i do believe this halted progress for a bit.

the best picture to describe what i am experiencing is -> http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/phot...atient-tri.jpg

shedding has returned to normal levels. I will provide an update in 3 months time.

[MrBlonde]

shedding has returned to normal levels. I will provide an update in 3 months time.

Again thanks.

I find it a little worrying when you say shedding has returned to normal levels though. Do you mean the shed levels before you added those supplements whilst only on TRX2/VITC/MSM? thus you shed on this combo

I remember you saying results are slow in the hairline region and around the 3 month mark you see a reduction in shedding, do we need to allow extra time for hairline shedding results? Thats the only place I'm shedding right now.

So has this combo ever stopped shedding completely in all areas or merely slowed it down and you have occasional sheds? Shedding and growing seems a bit weird to me. Your gaining only to loose again, the pic example you posted though is a definite gain.

You were using Rogaine/Minox with this also though right?