Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[yeahyeahyeah]

yes, theres a chance that some of the therapy could quite possibly get into the blood stream causing the effects of upregulation, but this is reduced with topicals, so MAY be ok. Either way upregulation will affect the efficacy of this combo.

Blocking dht is really not neccassary here. This combo blocks what dht initiates further along the pathway, hence why there is NO need to block dht.

This reminds me of how the toco thread started

Can you post pics?

[Davey Jones]

As for the aged garlic extract and the curcumin, which i tried along with the combo, did induce a shed for reasons im not sure about, and did not yeild any sort of results, so i dont reccomend using them along side the combo, it will just affect the potential of msm/vitc/trx2.

Sorry if this was already said, but the reason for the MSM is as a source of dietary sulfur, right? Why would garlic work in a way opposite MSM then? Garlic is awesome for that. How long did you give it to see results? Could the shed not have been unrelated and/or caused by another variable?

And as a side note, curcumin (or I'd say whole turmeric, really) is just plain too good for your body to not take, in my opinion.

[MrBlonde]

This seems like one of the best MSM products I have seen online in terms of cost and dosage.

http://www.highernature.co.uk/ShowProductFamily.aspx?ProductFamilyID=158

If you click the label tab and move the cursor over the ingedients part of the label you can get a good run down on whats in each tablet.

Do you think its good value Gutted in terms of giving you the purest MSM available?

[gutted]

This reminds me of how the toco thread started

Can you post pics?

toco8 efficacy probably comes from blocking the AR receptor directly. I have tried it in the past for 6 months, i didnt recognise any benefit to it what so ever apart from sexual sides, and i am highly observationally aware when it comes to hair.

As for the pics i wouldnt post them on an open forum. Even then you cant tell the between the difference from the before and after photo, due to angle irregularities and density cant be seen easily via an aerial photograph unless you were pretty severeley diffuse in the before photograph. All i can say is try it as directed and im pretty sure you will notice benefits.

[gutted]

Sorry if this was already said, but the reason for the MSM is as a source of dietary sulfur, right? Why would garlic work in a way opposite MSM then? Garlic is awesome for that. How long did you give it to see results? Could the shed not have been unrelated and/or caused by another variable?

Yes the sulphur is the key component of garlic and taken with vitc pretty much has the same effct as msm but it also contains other compounds to it which may have other oppossite effects im not sure of and which i probably did experience from the AGE. In fact taking raw galric initially was i how i discovered the importance of sulphur.

And as a side note, curcumin (or I'd say whole turmeric, really) is just plain too good for your body to not take, in my opinion.

As for curcumin, yes the studies are there and a great addition for other health reasons but for hair i really cant reccomend it. Dont use it with the combo.

Im pretty sure it was the kyolic AGE/curcumin that i was taking that induced a shed, im not sure why. To me shedding is a bad thing regardless of what you might believe. With msm/vitc/trx2 you will not experience any sort of shed.

You can use a myriad of supplements that have some studies to suggest they combat mpb but the fact is using all those supplments is not only slightley incovenient but also probably pretty expensive.
MSM/vitc is pretty much a cost effective way of stopping mpb.

[gutted]

This seems like one of the best MSM products I have seen online in terms of cost and dosage.

http://www.highernature.co.uk/ShowProductFamily.aspx?ProductFamilyID=158

If you click the label tab and move the cursor over the ingedients part of the label you can get a good run down on whats in each tablet.

Do you think its good value Gutted in terms of giving you the purest MSM available?

You should really use one with "optimsm" and its good value.

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=doctors+best+tablets+msm&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&hl=en&biw=1152&bih=733&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=11700960027169778124&sa=X&ei=L1BkUJKhH6eb0QXj0YHwDw&ved=0CEgQ8wIwAA

[yeahyeahyeah]

toco8 efficacy probably comes from blocking the AR receptor directly. I have tried it in the past for 6 months, i didnt recognise any benefit to it what so ever apart from sexual sides, and i am highly observationally aware when it comes to hair.

As for the pics i wouldnt post them on an open forum. Even then you cant tell the between the difference from the before and after photo, due to angle irregularities and density cant be seen easily via an aerial photograph unless you were pretty severeley diffuse in the before photograph. All i can say is try it as directed and im pretty sure you will notice benefits.

If you are maintaining , then that is good enough.

And I have experienced no sides since taking toco, if anything my labido has gone through the roof.

[gutted]

If you are maintaining , then that is good enough.

And I have experienced no sides since taking toco, if anything my labido has gone through the roof.

yeh maintenance is good,but reversal is better

Your libido going through the roof implies upregulation of some sort. Hence using it with the combo, efficacy will be affected.

[MrBlonde]

You should really use one with "optimsm" and its good value.

http://www.google.co.uk/products/cat...ed=0CEgQ8wIwAA

Whats the difference between optimsm and MSM if you don't mind me asking?

[gutted]

Whats the difference between optimsm and MSM if you don't mind me asking?

What is OptiMSM?
The premiere branded MSM ingredient produced by Bergstrom Nutrition and available from NutraSense. OptiMSM is held to strict product specifications, making it the highest quality and most consistent MSM available on the market. OptiMSM is organic sulfur that appears as a white, crystalline, water-soluble powder that is available in a variety of topical applications and internal dosage types. It is non-toxic, non-allergenic, and always 99.9% pure. Bergstrom Nutrition, the sole maker of the raw material OptiMSM, is the original United States producer licensed under the R. J. Herschler domestic and foreign patents.

http://www.nutrasense.com/faq_msm.html

[yeahyeahyeah]

yeh maintenance is good,but reversal is better

Your libido going through the roof implies upregulation of some sort. Hence using it with the combo, efficacy will be affected.

Yes testosterone.

[gutted]

Yes testosterone.

quite possibly that or AR upregulation.
The only component in toco8 that could affect androgen balance is beta sis, and its at minute levels, imagine how fin affects androgen balance!

[yeahyeahyeah]

yeh maintenance is good,but reversal is better

Your libido going through the roof implies upregulation of some sort. Hence using it with the combo, efficacy will be affected.

Tbh I am exercising heavily ATM - so I am generally a lot more hornier.

[bananana]

Guys, is this safe for oral use or is it just a chemical that is used to produce a oral-safe version of MSM?

http://www.makana-shop.de/juergen993-p39h132s134-MSM-99-9%25-rein-1000g.html

1 kilo for 10 euro.

[gutted]

Guys, is this safe for oral use or is it just a chemical that is used to produce a oral-safe version of MSM?

http://www.makana-shop.de/juergen993-p39h132s134-MSM-99-9%25-rein-1000g.html

1 kilo for 10 euro.

have no idea. probably best to contact them and ask if its safe for oral use.