Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[bananana]

I'm 2 months in.

REPORT:
skin - BETTER
oil - 80-90% less
itch - 80-90% less
nails - strong and thick as hell
body hair - more of it (but hey, you cant have it all)
shedding - hard to comment because I wash my hair every 5-6 days because it doesn't get dirty/oily till day 4/5, I have somewhat long hair on top, I didn't count hairs but there are at least 30-40 of them in the sink

new regrowth - not sure, probably not.

ps i received my cetirizine today, so I'll start that also.
pps - I repeat: this is so far THE ONLY regimen that ever lowered my oil and itch,
and I've tried numerous products for a long period of time.

[Cob984]

Yes i too just started my third bottle of trx2 today, im into week 7 of trx2, im on 4 / day
, there is no damn way im quitting topical dht blockers till someone here except gutted gets real success, im not maintaining, this is the worrying bit, im still thinning, not happy about that

oh btw bananan im on cet 3 weeks now almost, i might quit, not that im shedding, i think it does make my hair feel better but it also sometimes gives me a headache and makes me feel hazy/groggy, dont think i really want to put up with that forever, i might down the dose or stop altogether

[bananana]

Yes i too just started my third bottle of trx2 today, im into week 7 of trx2, im on 4 / day
, there is no damn way im quitting topical dht blockers till someone here except gutted gets real success, im not maintaining, this is the worrying bit, im still thinning, not happy about that

oh btw bananan im on cet 3 weeks now almost, i might quit, not that im shedding, i think it does make my hair feel better but it also sometimes gives me a headache and makes me feel hazy/groggy, dont think i really want to put up with that forever, i might down the dose or stop altogether

Hmm thanks for the cet info.
Well, I'll see, I got 400 tabs (10 mg), I'll dilute it in pure water and apply it after dermarolling, I'll try it for at least 3 months before I make any conclusions. If it provides some regrowth - I'll stick with it.

ps - do you apply cet once per day or twice? did you dilute it in water or alcohol?
thanks

[MrBlonde]

Yes i too just started my third bottle of trx2 today, im into week 7 of trx2, im on 4 / day
, there is no damn way im quitting topical dht blockers till someone here except gutted gets real success, im not maintaining, this is the worrying bit, im still thinning, not happy about that

oh btw bananan im on cet 3 weeks now almost, i might quit, not that im shedding, i think it does make my hair feel better but it also sometimes gives me a headache and makes me feel hazy/groggy, dont think i really want to put up with that forever, i might down the dose or stop altogether

Cob984, you seem to be on a lot of stuff. TRX2, SP and cetirizine etc All of these would induce a shed of some sort? You also seem to drop treatments not so long into them, this can't be good either, if you experience a shed it could be a sign things are going to work but when you drop them its a big mistake, that hair lost might never come back.

I don't want to be critical but you seem impatient, hairloss is a slow hard struggle, any program takes 12 months of dedication before you know whether or not it will work. Switching and dropping will only harm your efforts. Your body could be regulating for different substances that get introduced and taken away, it could be upregulating DHT due to the constant changes man.

[Cob984]

Cob984, you seem to be on a lot of stuff. TRX2, SP and cetirizine etc All of these would induce a shed of some sort? You also seem to drop treatments not so long into them, this can't be good either, if you experience a shed it could be a sign things are going to work but when you drop them its a big mistake, that hair lost might never come back.

I don't want to be critical but you seem impatient, hairloss is a slow hard struggle, any program takes 12 months of dedication before you know whether or not it will work. Switching and dropping will only harm your efforts. Your body could be regulating for different substances that get introduced and taken away, it could be upregulating DHT due to the constant changes man.

I am not on a lot of stuff,
TRX2 - 7 WKS
MSM - 9 wks
Topical saw p - 6+ months
Oral sp - dropped, only one iv dropped

Topical cet only 1 ml as an experiment and it hasnt induced a shed,

[b0urna]

hi guys, another quick update from me. Iv been using gutted's combo for around 2 months now. Iv added something else to my daily regime...vitamin D (Australian sun!) I have recently moved here for the next 3months, and managed to take my MSM/VITC with me on the plane so only had around 2days off. Anyway I'm unsure if it was to do with environmental change or jetlag or a delayed response from the minox/SP I stopped taking before I started this combo, but iv been shedding like crazy since I arrived here. I would usually be panicking more, but iv noticed the shedding hair is coming from all over my body, not just the areas on my head affected by MBP.
Anyway i still have a big oil reduction, and can't say iv ever had much of an itch, so I'm still holding out hope and am going to stick with this as my last fight for my hair until a real treatment becomes available, hopefully in the form of an injection. Currently my hairs still in good shape, it's around 8" long, but I'm planning on getting it cut this weekend because the Ozzie sun is too hot to wear a mop! With shorter hair it should make any regrowth more apparent, whilst hopefully not making my thinning areas more obvious.
Keep the updates coming people, the cure is coming but we will find it quicker working together (cheesy prep-talk) :-)
Gutted, I hope your right man!

[ammin]

I thinned froma NW 1.5 with thick hair to NW 6 diffuse in 5 months without any significant itching. Just want everyone to monitor their hair loss more carefully

[Jcm800]

I thinned froma NW 1.5 with thick hair to NW 6 diffuse in 5 months without any significant itching. Just want everyone to monitor their hair loss more carefully

That's rapid loss. I hardly find any hairs in the shower, I'm losing it tho. Not easy to monitor hair fall always, unless obvious shedloads are falling out.

[Cob984]

I thinned froma NW 1.5 with thick hair to NW 6 diffuse in 5 months without any significant itching. Just want everyone to monitor their hair loss more carefully

youv got me really worried man, this is exactly what i have been rambling about, im not really shedding but im thinning rapidly, so im really confused,
but your experience might just push me back to dht blocking,

how long were you on gutteds regime, the entire 5 months? 2? 3? let us know

[MrBlonde]

Wow thats rough ammin. I have gotten very thin very quickly also. What age are you? I think once you get past thirty things really start to kick into high gear. I gained a mature hairline about 4yrs ago and thinned at the crown and then it stopped but the rest of my hair was really thick.

Now its really thin. Do you have any before and after pics of your situation?

[Jcm800]

Gutted -how old are you again please? How long have you been suffering with mpb?
Have you actually visually seen regrowth since using this combo, or do you 'think' you're experiencing it?
Thanks, just curious.

[b0urna]

youv got me really worried man, this is exactly what i have been rambling about, im not really shedding but im thinning rapidly, so im really confused,
but your experience might just push me back to dht blocking,

how long were you on gutteds regime, the entire 5 months? 2? 3? let us know

cob man you sound like you really want to jump back on the DHT blockers, I don't think anyone's gonna tell you otherwise, a lot of us are skeptical whether this will work or not, just remember this threads basically classed as experimental, a lot of us (me included) have put all stakes in and trusted gutted on this. Your hair is a big gamble to bet, your choice. I hate to refer to our hair as a betting chip, but for me I have limited options and need to buy time. It's a huge decision, as is with taking up any treatment, our bad hairloss options have forced us to grey solutions. SP gave me bad sides, min did nothing for me, fin is basically SP on roids and I'm 99% sure my body won't like it. Other viable options other than experimental treatments for me..None.

[Cob984]

cob man you sound like you really want to jump back on the DHT blockers, I don't think anyone's gonna tell you otherwise, a lot of us are skeptical whether this will work or not, just remember this threads basically classed as experimental, a lot of us (me included) have put all stakes in and trusted gutted on this. Your hair is a big gamble to bet, your choice. I hate to refer to our hair as a betting chip, but for me I have limited options and need to buy time. It's a huge decision, as is with taking up any treatment, our bad hairloss options have forced us to grey solutions. SP gave me bad sides, min did nothing for me, fin is basically SP on roids and I'm 99% sure my body won't like it. Other viable options other than experimental treatments for me..None.

im in the same boat as you man, Min im allergic to, SP gives me some sides and has mostly lost its effectiveness, at this point it slows mpb rather than stops it for me, at this point i am so desperate i am more concerned with my hair and I can tolerate a few sides though I think fin wont go down well with me for the same reason as you.

Im scared because im not seeing maintenance, im still thinning, im not shedding but thinning and im freaking out now listening to ammin;s story

I will give this another couple weeks, work it for 3 months

[yeahyeahyeah]

im in the same boat as you man, Min im allergic to, SP gives me some sides and has mostly lost its effectiveness, at this point it slows mpb rather than stops it for me, at this point i am so desperate i am more concerned with my hair and I can tolerate a few sides though I think fin wont go down well with me for the same reason as you.

Im scared because im not seeing maintenance, im still thinning, im not shedding but thinning and im freaking out now listening to ammin;s story

I will give this another couple weeks, work it for 3 months

Been on this for a month - hair is still the same.

At what month did you guys notice the hairloss.

Btw I am on a lower dosage - 3k msm and vit c

[StuckInARut]

I jumped on this roughly two months ago. However, I am not mega dosing the MSM or Vitamin C and I am not using TRX2, just can't justify the high price. I never quit anything I was taking before I started and I know gutted really suggests taking this combo alone so my results are probably skewed. I haven't lost any itch although my head doesn't itch very much usually only when I comb it after I shower. My hair has been shedding a lot recently and I have lost quite a bit of density up front near the frontal hair line area and on the sides near my ears nowhere else. I do take a Saw Palmetto complex and have done so for nearly 5 months now, started 3 months before I added this combo.

Now I can't say one way or another if this combo works since I am not really using it as directed but I have noticed other health benefits since taking it. Namely, my immunity is better and my joints feel great. My nails grow fast however I can't really say I noticed a faster hair growth or not. I will continue taking it for the reasons stated above but I hope it will also have a positive effect on my hair. My opinion is that results (if the directions are followed) will not be typical. Much like using Propecia or Minoxidil, results will vary from person to person. I am glad gutted has experienced some positive results but I look forward to someone else having some good news as well. He won't post pictures for his own personal reasons so we have only his word to go on.