Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

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things should start to kick in around 3/6 months.

Watch your current/baseline scalp oil levels so that you can compare later down the road.

Hair is getting oily, even around the sides.

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Hair is getting oily, even around the sides.

did you drop the toco8? and niz recently?

you will experience a short term increase if you have recentley done that, you will need to wait it out till things "reset". approx 3 weeks to 2/3 months.

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did you drop the toco8? and niz recently?

you will experience a short term increase if you have recentley done that, you will need to wait it out till things "reset". approx 3 weeks to 2/3 months.

Hair has always been like this and yes I have.

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Hair has always been like this and yes I have.

give it 3 months and report back. if you say your hair has always been oily then you should undeniably notice a reduction of this within the next 3 weeks to 3 months.

dropping toco8 removes the minscule amount of beta sitosterol content, you should wait before things balance out again.

[yeahyeahyeah]

give it 3 months and report back. if you say your hair has always been oily then you should undeniably notice a reduction of this within the next 3 weeks to 3 months.

dropping toco8 removes the minscule amount of beta sitosterol content, you should wait before things balance out again.

Im not on your regime yet.

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Im not on your regime yet.

you should have dropped the toco8 when starting the msm/vitc!

[yeahyeahyeah]

you should have dropped the toco8 when starting the msm/vitc!

Im on nothing right now.

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Im on nothing right now.

get on the combo asap.

[yeahyeahyeah]

get on the combo asap.

Ordered Doctors best MSM

And

time released vitamin c caps

i have read that excess vit c can cause kidney stones

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Vitamin-C-Side-Effects.aspx

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Ordered Doctors best MSM

And

time released vitamin c caps

i have read that excess vit c can cause kidney stones

http://www.news-medical.net/health/V...e-Effects.aspx

you can cut down on the vit c after the results have materialised, 6 months down the line.

[Jcm800]

Taking all this Vit C has done nothing for my immune system - i've got a real shitty cold

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Hi, thanks for this thread.

I don't really understand why it would be necessary to drop toco-8 though. If it's because of the minimal amount of beta-sitosesterol it contains we might as well abstain from eating a bunch of other stuff.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000077000000000000000.html

http://www.ehow.com/about_5377043_foods-high-beta-sitosterols.html

As you can see there's Beta-sitosterol in lots of regular food, an avocado for example, contains more then TEN TIMES as much Beta-sis as two scoops (one serving) of toco-8.

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Hi, thanks for this thread.

I don't really understand why it would be necessary to drop toco-8 though. If it's because of the minimal amount of beta-sitosesterol it contains we might as well abstain from eating a bunch of other stuff.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000077000000000000000.html

http://www.ehow.com/about_5377043_foods-high-beta-sitosterols.html

As you can see there's Beta-sitosterol in lots of regular food, an avocado for example, contains more then TEN TIMES as much Beta-sis as two scoops (one serving) of toco-8.

yes i know, beta sitosterol is found in many foods. But the foods arent taken constantly & consistently like you have to with toco8.

you will take toco8 every day,BUT you will eat avocado once every week. <- this affects you differntly than taking it everyday than once a week.

As well as the cost angle, toco8 is not worth the cost. This regime is pretty cost effective.

Beta sitosterol works by blocking the AR all be it less potently than something like ru. Hence why toco8 was found to grow hair. This will affect your androgen levels (some have already experienced higher sex drive= boost in andorgen levels), and as i have stated, this combo is not potent enough to block the effects of fluctations in androgen levels and stop hair sheds should you decide to do this hence going against the main aim of the regime = to keep hair sheds to a minimuim, this is how people "percieve" regrowth, once hair sheds have stabilised.

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yes i know, beta sitosterol is found in many foods. But the foods arent taken constantly & consistently like you have to with toco8.

you will take toco8 every day,BUT you will eat avocado once every week. <- this affects you differntly than taking it everyday than once a week.

There's a bunch of stuff that contains beta-sis: Nuts and beans, vegetable oils, corn based snacks, margarine, dressing, mayonaise, chocolate, egg, bananas, the list goes on.

I bet most people consume numerous products every day containing equal, or higher, amount of beta-sis as Toco-8.

The cost is not really an issue here, I want to give Toco-8 a chance but at the same I don't want to interfere with the MSM/vitC combo.

But if your only issue with Toco-8 is the minimal amount of beta-sis it contains I don't think it's anything to worry about.

Beta sitosterol works by blocking the AR all be it less potently than something like ru. Hence why toco8 was found to grow hair. This will affect your androgen levels (some have already experienced higher sex drive= boost in andorgen levels), and as i have stated, this combo is not potent enough to block the effects of fluctations in androgen levels and stop hair sheds should you decide to do this hence going against the main aim of the regime = to keep hair sheds to a minimuim, this is how people "percieve" regrowth, once hair sheds have stabilised.

On what do you base the assumption that Toco-8 was effective solely because of its beta-sitosterol?

I've read that vitamin E helps capillary grow, which may be another explanation to why it was found to grow hair.

Regarding androgen levels, I was under the impression that finasteride and the like dropped your androgen levels, like and "opposite" to steroids, not boosted them...

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There's a bunch of stuff that contains beta-sis: Nuts and beans, vegetable oils, corn based snacks, margarine, dressing, mayonaise, chocolate, egg, bananas, the list goes on.

I bet most people consume numerous products every day containing equal, or higher, amount of beta-sis as Toco-8.

The cost is not really an issue here, I want to give Toco-8 a chance but at the same I don't want to interfere with the MSM/vitC combo.

But if your only issue with Toco-8 is the minimal amount of beta-sis it contains I don't think it's anything to worry about.


On what do you base the assumption that Toco-8 was effective solely because of its beta-sitosterol?

I've read that vitamin E helps capillary grow, which may be another explanation to why it was found to grow hair.

Regarding androgen levels, I was under the impression that finasteride and the like dropped your androgen levels, like and "opposite" to steroids, not boosted them...

the levels of beta sitosterol in them are pretty minute hence why they probably will not have any sort of adverse effect - since beta sitosterol binds to cholesterol too meaning some(if not all) of it is lost to this so cannot gain access to Androgen Recptors.

some people are extremeley sensitive and can cause upregulation by a small amount such as the amount present in toco8.

you can try it but if efficacy is hampered you should consider dropping the toco8.

Toco8 may have alternative modes of anti oxidant action, although i still believe its not worth the cost for very marginal results if any and any beneifit it provides is quite possibly offset against the effects of continuous beta sitosterol supplementation.