Equol

[NeedHairASAP]

Hey whats up... just wondering if anyone has had any results from this.... or any of the other chemicals you guys sit around speculating about for months and months and months, yet have not one picture of success.....other than the guido guy who may or may not have had success. his success depends which pictures you look at...

im just tired of these research chemical threads that never have ANY pictures to prove anything.. just endless back and for ranting.

[2020]

Maybe companies dont see it as 'worth doing' considering it wont be more effective than fin.

ha... that's the thing - it's DOSE DEPENDENT. the more you take, the more DHT it binds to. I'm sure there exists a dose where it would block 100% of DHT.
Can you say the same about fin or dut?

Big Pharma should be interested in this...

[neversaynever]

Thanks.

What I dont understand - we are lowering DHT, just via a different mechanism.

How is this any different to fin?

1. The body needs to convert T to DHT. its an important function. Blocking the bodies ability to do this can cause havoc in the hormone feedback loop. T levels then rise. Equol allows this conversion, but handcuffs just dht. So thats one problem eliminated.

2. the 5ar that fin blocks is responsible for more than just T to DHT conversion. Amazingly, we still dont know fully what 5ar is doing in terms of hormones. There is plenty of evidence to suggest it doesnt exist to just convert T to DHT. If this is the case, then equol would have massive benefits over fin.

People equate all of fins side effects to DHT. There is far more at play here. Including sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). SHBG is regulated by the levels of many hormones, and its important that it retains a good ratio to T levels. When T rises, SH

I dont think its fair to say that equol will have zero side effects. But so far, from the information at hand, it seems a FAR safer proposition than fin or dut.

[yeahyeahyeah]

yea ok, will do.

Anyone know what kind of reduction in DHT would equal 1mg fin?

Thanks.

What I dont understand - we are lowering DHT, just via a different mechanism.

How is this any different to fin?

[neversaynever]

Could you post back your findings?

yea ok, will do.

Anyone know what kind of reduction in DHT would equal 1mg fin?

[yeahyeahyeah]

To check what the correct dose of equol is.

what if 30mg is optimal and youre taking 60mg or 10mg? saw palmetto is a different mechanism.

Id rather try to get equol to match fin in terms of serum DHT levels. And I dont want to waste my time. So im quite happy to have 3 blood tests to confirm the correct dose. Baseline, 1 month, 6 months.

I want results. Not guess the sufficient dose and hope its correct.

Could you post back your findings?

[neversaynever]

TBH dont see why you need a hormone check.

It will be the same as taking saw palmetto.
And asians in the far east eat this stuff daily.

To check what the correct dose of equol is.

what if 30mg is optimal and youre taking 60mg or 10mg? saw palmetto is a different mechanism.

Id rather try to get equol to match fin in terms of serum DHT levels. And I dont want to waste my time. So im quite happy to have 3 blood tests to confirm the correct dose. Baseline, 1 month, 6 months.

I want results. Not guess the sufficient dose and hope its correct.

[yeahyeahyeah]

There seems to a be huge number of other health benefits of equol too. Its crazy that it hasnt been taken more seriously.

As far as I know, its not possible to hold a patent on Equol. That might be a big reason. The mystery continues...

TBH dont see why you need a hormone check.

It will be the same as taking saw palmetto.
And asians in the far east eat this stuff daily.

[neversaynever]

There seems to a be huge number of other health benefits of equol too. Its crazy that it hasnt been taken more seriously.

As far as I know, its not possible to hold a patent on Equol. That might be a big reason. The mystery continues...

[neversaynever]

That sucks?!!

So are there any equol before after photos anywhere on the net at all?

Also why isnt this all over the news if its a viable propecia alternative???

Fin and dut already own the market. Equol still requires a huge test / study for hair loss. Maybe companies dont see it as 'worth doing' considering it wont be more effective than fin. The real interest for us is less sides. Its a bit of mystery. But there is a company testing it, thought not for hairloss...

http://www.ausiopharma.com/TechPages/OralStudies.html

They are well into trials of equol for menopause, and currently in trials for prostate issues with men.

They are testing topical gels and oral tablets.

A second, multiple-dose, placebo-controlled Phase 1 clinical trial was initiated in December 2008. In this study, healthy males and females were given AUS-131 twice daily at doses ranging from 10 mg (total daily dose of 20 mg) to 160 mg (total daily dose of 320 mg) for 2 weeks. Results demonstrated the safety of AUS-131 and an excellent pharmacokinetic profile at all doses tested.

I cant seem to find the full study write up on the net. Can anyone else?

Ive emailed them, no reply.

[Kiwi]

i dont plan on returning to forums once i start my regimen.

That sucks?!!

So are there any equol before after photos anywhere on the net at all?

Also why isnt this all over the news if its a viable propecia alternative???

[neversaynever]

In that case, I will let you do that before I start.

i dont plan on returning to forums once i start my regimen.

[yeahyeahyeah]

I think its a good idea. Then we know exactly whats happening to our DHT and T levels. Will help us know what the ideal dose is.

Anyone know how much DHT should be reduced by to maintain hair?

In that case, I will let you do that before I start.

[neversaynever]

Should I get it checked?

I think its a good idea. Then we know exactly whats happening to our DHT and T levels. Will help us know what the ideal dose is.

Anyone know how much DHT should be reduced by to maintain hair?

[yeahyeahyeah]

You gonna check your hormone levels before and after?

Should I get it checked?