To the naysayers

[Davey Jones]

I ain't complaining. I'm just complaining I'm going to be slick bald so soon..

Since this is a thread on naysaying, I'm still sort of wondering why you're seemingly 100% sure Histogen won't work in areas that have been bald for some time. What makes you think that again?

And don't worry too much about shaving. You'll find girls like it a hell of a lot more than substantial balding. If you do go that route and want any tips, feel free to message me. I've just about perfected the technique. Maybe I could help you avoid all the nicks I got along the way.

EDIT: Unless you meant "buzzing." Sorry, seems like how people use those terms is just all on where they're from.

[Maradona]

Since this is a thread on naysaying, I'm still sort of wondering why you're seemingly 100% sure Histogen won't work in areas that have been bald for some time. What makes you think that again?

And don't worry too much about shaving. You'll find girls like it a hell of a lot more than substantial balding. If you do go that route and want any tips, feel free to message me. I've just about perfected the technique. Maybe I could help you avoid all the nicks I got along the way.

I am not 100% sure, it just seems very unlikely. But ARI can definitely do that, that is their main goal.

What is your norwood level bro?

Yeah I meant buzzing it not slick bald, I want RU to be effective. I'm not buzzing it to get baldness over with lol.

[Davey Jones]

I am not 100% sure, it just seems very unlikely.

But why unlikely? Is it just because nothing seems to work on those areas? I think we gotta consider the fact that stuff coming out now-a-days is nothing like the old stuff. Whether the new treatments will work or not, I don't know. But it seems silly to base an opinion on whether they will work on how well old stuff works.

What is your norwood level bro?

I'm not sure. I've never been good at that. Usually, when people say they're NW2, I can hardly tell there's any balding at all. Plus, I shave it, ya know? Hard to tell. If I had to look at this chart here and throw something out, I'd say 4A, maybe a little in to 5.

Yeah I meant buzzing it not slick bald, I want RU to be effective.

Now, RU is the anti-androgen (DHT blocker)? I sometimes get CB, RU, and OC mixed up. Is there a source for that stuff?

[TrueGround]

Its probably always been like this, just that more younger guys are posting on online forums.

Also it doesnt help that we live in a superficial society, where hair is valuable.

Every time I speak with my Dad about hair loss - he's literally taken back by how many young kids he sees suffering from the degree of hair loss that they are today.

His words exactly when I was on the phone with him last time we spoke about it: "I'm telling you, back when I was a kid, NOBODY lost their hair before their late twenties to thirties. Well, I can actually remember ONE kid in college, I think he might have gotten too close to some plutonium or something!"

My mom, who has been separated from my Dad for like 10 years now (so have not collaborated on this) made the exact same observation. For those of you younger guys who are curious, ask your parents the same thing and see what they say.

Now, 8 of my 10 closest friends from college, including myself, are all suffering from some degree of hair loss. All of us started before or around the age of 20. The levels of severity are much different between us, but still, 8/10!

I am 24, and now work with mostly middle-aged individuals. I would honestly say that >80% of those individuals have either no hair loss or significantly more hair than myself. I am a NW 3. Of the <30-year-olds I work with, 3/7 are balding and one of them is a 20 year old FEMALE!2

Anecdotal, I know. But a real-life observation none-the-less.

[Maradona]

But why unlikely? Is it just because nothing seems to work on those areas? I think we gotta consider the fact that stuff coming out now-a-days is nothing like the old stuff. Whether the new treatments will work or not, I don't know. But it seems silly to base an opinion on whether they will work on how well old stuff works.



I'm not sure. I've never been good at that. Usually, when people say they're NW2, I can hardly tell there's any balding at all. Plus, I shave it, ya know? Hard to tell. If I had to look at this chart here and throw something out, I'd say 4A, maybe a little in to 5.



Now, RU is the anti-androgen (DHT blocker)? I sometimes get CB, RU, and OC mixed up. Is there a source for that stuff?

Yeah but RU is stop your shedding, very little regrowth has been documented.

You may be right Histogen might work on slick bald areas.

If I were you and if you have a good donor, I would go to Gho.
Last I heard he is treating nw6 Dean Saunders.

I firmly believe it works to a good degree. You can get Sneijder's hairs at the very least.

[Maradona]

Every time I speak with my Dad about hair loss - he's literally taken back by how many young kids he sees suffering from the degree of hair loss that they are today.

His words exactly when I was on the phone with him last time we spoke about it: "I'm telling you, back when I was a kid, NOBODY lost their hair before their late twenties to thirties. Well, I can actually remember ONE kid in college, I think he might have gotten too close to some plutonium or something!"

My mom, who has been separated from my Dad for like 10 years now (so have not collaborated on this) made the exact same observation. For those of you younger guys who are curious, ask your parents the same thing and see what they say.

Now, 8 of my 10 closest friends from college, including myself, are all suffering from some degree of hair loss. All of us started before or around the age of 20. The levels of severity are much different between us, but still, 8/10!

I am 24, and now work with mostly middle-aged individuals. I would honestly say that >80&#37; of those individuals have either no hair loss or significantly more hair than myself. I am a NW 3. Of the <30-year-olds I work with, 3/7 are balding and one of them is a 20 year old FEMALE!2

Anecdotal, I know. But a real-life observation none-the-less.

It's diet and lifestyle. I am the first balding guy in my family on both sides of my family. We have the balding gene but they all express in their 40s 50s.

Diet, porn, lack of exercise all these factors change DHT levels to some degree and that could be a good trigger. In fact, there is a experiment where they injected DHT to some dude who had the balding gene. I think they was eunuchs who did not start the balding process. After they injected it, he was ****ed. They stopped injecting, still the MPB was progressing, it already "kicked in".

I think follicles have a threshold in terms of DHT and other hormones if you go above Or REACH the balance of hormones needed, then MPB kicks in and you're ****ed.

[Davey Jones]

Yeah but RU is stop your shedding, very little regrowth has been documented.

You may be right Histogen might work on slick bald areas.

If I were you and if you have a good donor, I would go to Gho.
Last I heard he is treating nw6 Dean Saunders.

I firmly believe it works to a good degree. You can get Sneijder's hairs at the very least.

Ohh, I'm fine razor shaving. I must have the head for it or something, because it hasn't seemed to hold me back too much. Not to mention, I don't have that kind of money to throw around right now anyway. Gho sounds awesome though. It seems like there is more and more evidence everyday. It's definitely comforting knowing that even if Histogen doesn't pan out (like is also possible), there will always be this Gho stuff going on. And I'm starting a new job this fall, so the future is good.

Now, you can't do Gho because of the donor issue, right? You have AA or something? That sucks, dude. But between Histogen, Aderans, Replicel (I know, weird to still be a bit of a beleiver, but I am), and all the topicals coming out, I'm sure something there will help.

[Maradona]

Ohh, I'm fine razor shaving. I must have the head for it or something, because it hasn't seemed to hold me back too much. Not to mention, I don't have that kind of money to throw around right now anyway. Gho sounds awesome though. It seems like there is more and more evidence everyday. It's definitely comforting knowing that even if Histogen doesn't pan out (like is also possible), there will always be this Gho stuff going on. And I'm starting a new job this fall, so the future is good.

Now, you can't do Gho because of the donor issue, right? You have AA or something? That sucks, dude. But between Histogen, Aderans, Replicel (I know, weird to still be a bit of a beleiver, but I am), and all the topicals coming out, I'm sure something there will help.

Nah I can go to Gho, I thought I did have DUPA/AA though. Huge relief and made me appreciate my norwood 2-3. That's why I don't mind buzzing it.

Funny months ago I was bitching about norwood 2-3. Now I don't give a ****.

[TrueGround]

Something we agree on

My theory: By far the largest contributing factor is the sickening abundance of polyunsaturated fats (PUFA's) in the westernized (now globalizing) diet. Look at the ingredient list on virtually every processed or processed-ingredient-containing food item in your super market. What's in common? Likely PUFA's (soybean, canola, corn, rapeseed etc. oils)!

Check out www.dannyroddy.com and consider his "Hair Like a Fox" guide. I think he has a "Quick-Start-Guide" that's free on his website, which will tell you all you need to know. If you want to get hardcore, as well as understand his reasoning behind the claims, buy the actual guide.

Just FYI for those who have not been exposed to this.

It may seem radical at first, but I can say I've largely halted hair loss since following most of his protocols (particularly PUFA avoidance).

[yeahyeahyeah]

If I were you and if you have a good donor, I would go to Gho.
Last I heard he is treating nw6 Dean Saunders.

I firmly believe it works to a good degree. You can get Sneijder's hairs at the very least.

TBH I am thinking about going to Gho first and then HSC

[yeahyeahyeah]

Something we agree on

My theory: By far the largest contributing factor is the sickening abundance of polyunsaturated fats (PUFA's) in the westernized (now globalizing) diet. Look at the ingredient list on virtually every processed or processed-ingredient-containing food item in your super market. What's in common? Likely PUFA's (soybean, canola, corn, rapeseed etc. oils)!

Check out www.dannyroddy.com and consider his "Hair Like a Fox" guide. I think he has a "Quick-Start-Guide" that's free on his website, which will tell you all you need to know. If you want to get hardcore, as well as understand his reasoning behind the claims, buy the actual guide.

Just FYI for those who have not been exposed to this.

It may seem radical at first, but I can say I've largely halted hair loss since following most of his protocols (particularly PUFA avoidance).

This is the culprit.

And 49 dollars for his guide!

[Davey Jones]

Between some people saying Gho works for sure and some people saying that the jury is still out, I don't know what to think. But if Gho is doing what he says, that's basically a cure. I think it would be a huge comfort to many "naysayers" if they knew that time and money were the only thing between them and a head of hair.

[TrueGround]

This is the culprit.

And 49 dollars for his guide!

Was that sarcastic?

[john2399]

2016 - US release date.

Earlier in Asia.

How do we know if the earlier date is for real?

[bananana]

A bit off question, but somebody mentioned it.

I jerk off EVERY DAY, sometimes up to 3-4 times. I have a girlfriend and I also do her almost each night - that (jerking) is probably related to increase od DHT right?

Come to think about it, I've jerked since 1999.
Thats approx. 10 000 jerk offs.

Do you think I can make a difference by completely stopping jerking off?
(I'm gonna try it nevertheless)

Ps.
I'm still on toco, soy + capsaicin + green tea + saw palmetto + beer yeast + Thermascalp topical regimen.

But to be honest - I don't see some change... Still, it's been less than 6 months on most of these ingredients.

But I'm definitely stopping jerking.
Now.