Why isn't Spencer one of Dr. Ziering's Histogen test subjects?

[ccmethinning]

True. Saying Histogen will reverse MPB will remain a bold claim until they manage to give even NW7s full density with good hairlines..

Jesus christ. Why do NW7s have to be turned into NW-1s in order for a hair loss treatment to be deemed effective?

It's like a starving, unemployed person saying they won't take any job that pays less than $1,000,000 a year.

It's like a an involuntary virgin saying he won't date anybody but Adriana Lima.

So many people on hairloss forums are so greedy and deserve to stay bald forever because of their unrealistic expectations. NW7 to NW-1 conversions will be decades from now, if ever.

If Histogen is released in the next few years, it, combined with Gho's HST, will be able to convert many NW6s into NW3s. That is something reasonable to expect in the next 10 years. NW7 to NW-1 is just laughable though.

To bald(ing) guys: learn to accept that your NW0 hairline is a thing of the past, but with current (HST) and near future treatments (HSC), you stand a reasonable chance of getting a NW2/3 hairline.

[gmonasco]

Jesus christ. Why do NW7s have to be turned into NW-1s in order for a hair loss treatment to be deemed effective?

There's a difference between "is effective" and "is a cure."

[ccmethinning]

There's a difference between "is effective" and "is a cure."

Most REASONABLE guys who are NW6 if given the option to get to NW3 would consider it a cure.

[Tracy C]

If Histogen is released in the next few years, it, combined with Gho's HST, will be able to convert many NW6s into NW3s.

Histogen combined with ANY hair transplant procedure would be able to do that. It is unethical to continue to insist that ONLY Gho's version of FUE will do that. Once Histogen and/or Replicel come to market, it does not matter which surgeon does the transplant surgery or whether they use FUT or FUE or whatever else you want to call either of those things (HST, CIT or PDQ). What will matter is that the surgeon is a gifted surgeon. There is no legitimate or ethical reason to insist that it will only be possible with Gho's version of FUE.

[Maradona]

Jesus christ. Why do NW7s have to be turned into NW-1s in order for a hair loss treatment to be deemed effective?

It's like a starving, unemployed person saying they won't take any job that pays less than $1,000,000 a year.

It's like a an involuntary virgin saying he won't date anybody but Adriana Lima.

So many people on hairloss forums are so greedy and deserve to stay bald forever because of their unrealistic expectations. NW7 to NW-1 conversions will be decades from now, if ever.

If Histogen is released in the next few years, it, combined with Gho's HST, will be able to convert many NW6s into NW3s. That is something reasonable to expect in the next 10 years. NW7 to NW-1 is just laughable though.

To bald(ing) guys: learn to accept that your NW0 hairline is a thing of the past, but with current (HST) and near future treatments (HSC), you stand a reasonable chance of getting a NW2/3 hairline.

Don't bother talking about Gho here, you are in a HT/FUT forums bro.

Give it time, more evidence will show up and people will accept it.

People here won't even admit this is better than regular FUE without the regeneration.

[ccmethinning]

Don't bother talking about Gho here, you are in a HT/FUT forums bro.

Give it time, more evidence will show up and people will accept it.

People here won't even admit this is better than regular FUE without the regeneration.

Do you post over at ha*rs*te Maradona?

[Maradona]

Do you post over at ha*rs*te Maradona?

At hairlosshelp yes not hairsite, I read all forums constantly. I'm not very interested in Gho at the moment, I think it works but not as good as he claims.

It is really bothering nobody wants to research this technique besides Gho. Doctors are not even remotely interested.

He probably needs to improve his techinique that's why he doesn't reveal all of it.

But if I ever need a transplant, I don't think I will need to though, I will go to Gho no question about it.

[2020]

can anyone explain why Histogen is only able to turn NW6 to NW3?? What's wrong with those super tiny hair in NW1-NW3 area? You can't even explain it so why talk shit?
Histogen will be able to grow hair anywhere on your scalp, the problem is: will it actually reverse MPB damage and will the hair last?

[ccmethinning]

Because there is a point of no return for follicles and many will have fibrosed by the time many people seek treatment. For people seeking treatment already in the NW4-NW6 range, the extent of histogen's treatment will likely be to thicken hairs in the mid scalp region and maybe somewhat in the vertex too. HTs will have to take care of the rest. Most people won't have enough donor to get past the NW3 IMHO.

[gmonasco]

Most REASONABLE guys who are NW6 if given the option to get to NW3 would consider it a cure.

The subject under discussion is whether HSC is a "cure" that would kill the HT industry. Even if HSC could turn a NW6 into a NW3, there would still be a demand for HTs from those who wanted to move from there to NW2 or NW1. So, no, in the context under discussion, it wouldn't be a "cure."

[Dazza]

There is a point of no return on follicles? I never knew that. I was under the impression they were just shrunk and unable to grow/repair. I thought resent discoveries proved this?

[2020]

Because there is a point of no return for follicles and many will have fibrosed by the time many people seek treatment. For people seeking treatment already in the NW4-NW6 range, the extent of histogen's treatment will likely be to thicken hairs in the mid scalp region and maybe somewhat in the vertex too. HTs will have to take care of the rest. Most people won't have enough donor to get past the NW3 IMHO.

you're insane... that is not how fibrosis work. Everything in a bald scalp is still intact except for a few key things. Read:

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478#SEC3

Things like Histogen can definitely stimulate any hair on your body and make it grow it long. We're past this. The question now is: will it last

[2020]

There is a point of no return on follicles? I never knew that. I was under the impression they were just shrunk and unable to grow/repair. I thought resent discoveries proved this?

no such thing.

Bald scalp in men with androgenetic alopecia retains hair follicle stem cells but lacks CD200-rich and CD34-positive hair follicle progenitor cells

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478

this paragraph in particular: Preservation of hair follicle stem cells in AGA.

[Tracy C]

It is really bothering nobody wants to research this technique besides Gho. Doctors are not even remotely interested.

As usual, you are not paying attention.

[Maradona]

As usual, you are not paying attention.

Tracy I went crazy last time I wanted to get this off my chest even though you'll never forgive me I still wanted you to know I feel bad and sorry. You bring out a lot of good things to this site. I just wish I never took fin, relatively speaking I got lucky but still.

If anybody should be an admin that's you and not Winston. He's clearly anti-Gho at least you seem neutral with a bit more on the negative side.
You seem to be getting a lot of Bullying and I hope Spencer considers this.

About Gho there is only one doctor interested that's dr Cole. I have a good feeling that it works to some degree and doctors should really look into it like Cole. Maybe improve the stuff who knows?