Neogenic by L’Oréal

[doke]

I think gutted is like most here we have seen hype about a product how ever small and need to grasp at straws,ive been there done it and as we or the company has no proof of regrowth on a large amount of mpb human trials its very frustrating.
We all hope gutted gets success and even if he does will it work on us im thinking that the company should have some proof of regrowth before selling this product at a higher price than minoxidil and propecia which at least have thousends of trials on human mpb.

[Erick]

Gutted you seem to be extremely active in this thread

[gutted]

I still have alot of vellus hairs. If it doesnt turn vellus hairs into terminal then what use is it to any NW.

are you on any other treatments apart from retin A?

[elusive52]

(1) I find it beyond hilarious that you even toy with the belief that this product could achieve such a feat - how on earth would such a biological mechanism even work? You're talking of a topical COSMETIC treatment being able to perform something the most sophisticated labs across the globe cant even get their heads around.

(2) They're not SAVING MILLIONS by not going through the FDA route *face palm* Jesus Christ man you know what? Go ahead, buy it.

1. i dont get your logic. We are talking about loreal here, the worlds largest cosmetic company, thats who owns vichy. they do have access to highly sophisticated labs and years of research.

i said they 'RELEASE' it as a cosmetic product to sidestep all the incredibly difficult obstacles that an fda approved 'DRUG' (like propecia) needs to go through.

2. do you know how much money it takes to conduct clinical phase 1,2,3 trials? millions... and the time. look at histogen...

[UK_]

On the contrary, Retin-A has worked quite well to an extent. (? - either it works or it doesnt) Weather its thickening vellus hairs or grown new hairs.. I don't know. But its doing something. Studies have already shown that it works to an extent and boosts minox. I have done my research. I still may try Neogenic since I have a very nice camera and keep a shaved head, it would be easy to see any regrowth.

What studies? Can you cite them?

There are lists of studies that can even be dated back to the 70's that show a positive impact on hair loss - none of them however are released because they're truly not effective in the sense that we need them to be. They're (as you rightfully put it) effective to an extent - but if that extent is growing 1 or 2 vellus hairs over a period of 6 months, sorry that's not a viable treatment worthy of my time or money.

[youngin]

nw6's are probably the last people that would respond to neogenic.

I still have alot of vellus hairs. If it doesnt turn vellus hairs into terminal then what use is it to any NW.

[gutted]

On the contrary, Retin-A has worked quite well to an extent. Weather its thickening vellus hairs or grown new hairs.. I don't know. But its doing something. Studies have already shown that it works to an extent and boosts minox. I have done my research. I still may try Neogenic since I have a very nice camera and keep a shaved head, it would be easy to see any regrowth.

nw6's are probably the last people that would respond to neogenic.

[youngin]

There's no need to - Retin A will not create the biological miracle of regenerating fully functional hair follicles, you might end up with a less wrinkly head as you age though.

And money isnt the issue - especially when the producers are a multinational corporation - the very fact that said company has not conducted proper clinical investigation rings alarm bells - they did the same for Aminexil in 2003, that turned out well.

On the contrary, Retin-A has worked quite well to an extent. Weather its thickening vellus hairs or grown new hairs.. I don't know. But its doing something. Studies have already shown that it works to an extent and boosts minox. I have done my research. I still may try Neogenic since I have a very nice camera and keep a shaved head, it would be easy to see any regrowth.

[UK_]

hi, i've been taking propecia for years, all its ever done is stop/stabilise the hair loss.

(1) if neogenic works (and by works i mean grows average 1700 'NEW' hairs as they claim) then i will be able to tell with ease. and if the same happened for others then we know its for real.

also you probably say they are fake but the company (vichy) has released photographic evidence of this product growing new hair. if its all bullshit we will find out sooner rather than later.

other people on here will know better than me but im sure (2) the reason they dont carry out all the studies as you say is because they are releasing this as a cosmetic product not a certified drug that has to get fda approval etc saving millions and a whole lot of time. maybe im wrong about this, others can put me right...

and of course we need a wide selection of people on here to try it, that are not on propecia, are on it, on minox, etc etc etc.

if i do get any positive results i will stop propecia immediately and just use this.

as for people getting into debt...this product only needs to be used for 3 months, if there are no results after this time period it will be easy to call it a fake. so i will only of lost £210, not really that much is it?

cheers.

(1) I find it beyond hilarious that you even toy with the belief that this product could achieve such a feat - how on earth would such a biological mechanism even work? You're talking of a topical COSMETIC treatment being able to perform something the most sophisticated labs across the globe cant even get their heads around.

(2) They're not SAVING MILLIONS by not going through the FDA route *face palm* Jesus Christ man you know what? Go ahead, buy it.

[UK_]

I'm a NW6 and only using Retin-A which I can quit any time. I'll do a controlled study if someone buys it for me lol

There's no need to - Retin A will not create the biological miracle of regenerating fully functional hair follicles, you might end up with a less wrinkly head as you age though.

And money isnt the issue - especially when the producers are a multinational corporation - the very fact that said company has not conducted proper clinical investigation rings alarm bells - they did the same for Aminexil in 2003, that turned out well.

[youngin]

I'm a NW6 and only using Retin-A which I can quit any time. I'll do a controlled study if someone buys it for me lol

[elusive52]

So your results about Neogenic are completely worthless lol - even if you get efficacy nobody here can tie it to Neogenic.

This is why I stated there should have been a controlled study - unfortunately the company didnt need to - they already knew how stupid and gullible the public would be due to their previous success with Aminexil, they spend the money on marketing (conferences and cheap ads) instead of proper R&D, then released a cosmetic, beautiful!

You call me bitter - but take a look at the title of this website - there's a reason it's called that.

I might be bitter - but id rather be bitter than stand in line with the faecal laborious irritatingly stupid dross that is the general public, that cant seem to stop getting themselves into unimaginable amounts of personal debt, buying worthless consumables for the sake of it, living a lifestyle beyond their means & falling perpetually for the hyped up marketing of these lying corporations.

hi, i've been taking propecia for years, all its ever done is stop/stabilise the hair loss.

if neogenic works (and by works i mean grows average 1700 'NEW' hairs as they claim) then i will be able to tell with ease. and if the same happened for others then we know its for real.

also you probably say they are fake but the company (vichy) has released photographic evidence of this product growing new hair. if its all bullshit we will find out sooner rather than later.

other people on here will know better than me but im sure the reason they dont carry out all the studies as you say is because they are releasing this as a cosmetic product not a certified drug that has to get fda approval etc saving millions and a whole lot of time. maybe im wrong about this, others can put me right...

and of course we need a wide selection of people on here to try it, that are not on propecia, are on it, on minox, etc etc etc.

if i do get any positive results i will stop propecia immediately and just use this.

as for people getting into debt...this product only needs to be used for 3 months, if there are no results after this time period it will be easy to call it a fake. so i will only of lost £210, not really that much is it?

cheers.

[UK_]

hi i am actually using propecia aswell. all that has ever done is stabilize the loss, never really grown any back.

it will be very easy for me to tell if this neogenic does what they claim.

So your results about Neogenic are completely worthless lol - even if you get efficacy nobody here can tie it to Neogenic.

This is why I stated there should have been a controlled study - unfortunately the company didnt need to - they already knew how stupid and gullible the public would be due to their previous success with Aminexil, they spend the money on marketing (conferences and cheap ads) instead of proper R&D, then released a cosmetic, beautiful!

You call me bitter - but take a look at the title of this website - there's a reason it's called that.

I might be bitter - but id rather be bitter than stand in line with the faecal laborious irritatingly stupid dross that is the general public, that cant seem to stop getting themselves into unimaginable amounts of personal debt, buying worthless consumables for the sake of it, living a lifestyle beyond their means & falling perpetually for the hyped up marketing of these lying corporations.

[UK_]

To all those people coming on this thread praising those who are "testing" this product:

Have you ever thought to yourselves for a moment "why on earth am I waiting on a complete stranger in a forum to see if a cosmetic treatment works?" - I mean think about it - if this product truly worked - they'd have a complete charade of evidence of efficacy behind them - unsurprisingly like every other garbage product that has ever been released THEY DONT!

To treat hair loss - you need a component along the lines of cell therapy, to be able to not only grow hair on your head but also on your feet and hands too if the therapy were to be applied there - not some dodgy foreign topical sold on ebay.

[doke]

I too APPRECIATE those of you who would ,not only spend the time and money to test this product, but to ALSO share with the rest of us their outcomes. You members truly are BROTHERS here and should not be demeaned. (if that is the case)
Thanks guys.

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