SkinMedica

[Kiwi]

I agree to the extent that some people might wear a wig like they wear a cap - and not care that people know.

Everybody "knows" Elton John wears a wig.... but he doesnt give a shit.

That said I think for me the answer is to either tattoo my FUT scar. Or add FUE grafts into it. Or maybe both. And then just shave my head and wait.

Obviously science is kicking ass these days more then ever.

In universities 5 years ago they were churning out the previous generation of scientists. Now universities are pumping out scientists that are being taught things like what HSC are researching and doing right now.

Just have to try and not be miserable and depressed while we wait.

And F-U-C-K SkinMedica for making us wait longer.

Did I mention F-U-C-K SkinMedica?

[Kiwi]

If you have hair to save then save it with current meds. If you are sporting a NW6 or NW7 then shave it off. Hair systems never look great 100% of the time. So when you have a bad hair day with a hair system it's not like having a bad day with real hair. Your bad hair day is like "oh, look he's wearing a wig. You could look great 99% but that one time it doesn't look right the cat is out of the bag. And it's probably more like 80% looking good and 20% bad days in reality. It's also very expensive ( I paid 1500 to 2500 USD a piece, so i'm talking about really good systems and they need to be replaced every 6 to 9 months) They need a lot of maintenance, example adding hair that sheds out of the system from normal wear and tear( at 75USD an hour), coloring(60.USD) Coloring the system from sun exposure or sea or pool water exposure. The sun, wind, rain are your enemies. And if you put a hat or helmet over you system it does not recover like real hair and looks really fake. If you find yourself in the sun a lot, then expect the hair to oxidize and start to turn a shade of red. Believe me guys, I wore it for many years and it really was a nightmare. You are always thinking "do they notice". Your best days with the system are at night in dim setting. Then it's undetectable. But when your with the same people like family, friends, and especially colleagues at work, day in and day out, you will eventually have a bad day and get busted. Family and friends are always going to have your back for the most part but co-workers, they can and will be brutal. I did the best I could for the years that I wore it but it came to a point that the bad was out weighing the good. So one day I just decided I had enough and I shaved it off and here I am today praying for a miracle and searching for a cure...

I agree to the extent that some people might wear a wig like they wear a cap - and not care that people know.

Everybody "knows" Elton John wears a wig.... but he doesnt give a shit.

That said I think for me the answer is to either tattoo my FUT scar. Or add FUE grafts into it. Or maybe both. And then just shave my head and wait.

Obviously science is kicking ass these days more then ever.

In universities 5 years ago they were churning out the previous generation of scientists. Now universities are pumping out scientists that are being taught things like what HSC are researching and doing right now.

Just have to try and not be miserable and depressed while we wait.

And F-U-C-K SkinMedica for making us wait longer.

[Horseshoe]

Finally, a little advice: Get an awesome hair system, get on Finasteride, and thereafter live your life. Also this way you won't go depressed around until these treatments/cures actually hit the marked.

If you have hair to save then save it with current meds. If you are sporting a NW6 or NW7 then shave it off. Hair systems never look great 100% of the time. So when you have a bad hair day with a hair system it's not like having a bad day with real hair. Your bad hair day is like "oh, look he's wearing a wig. You could look great 99% but that one time it doesn't look right the cat is out of the bag. And it's probably more like 80% looking good and 20% bad days in reality. It's also very expensive ( I paid 1500 to 2500 USD a piece, so i'm talking about really good systems and they need to be replaced every 6 to 9 months) They need a lot of maintenance, example adding hair that sheds out of the system from normal wear and tear( at 75USD an hour), coloring(60.USD) Coloring the system from sun exposure or sea or pool water exposure. The sun, wind, rain are your enemies. And if you put a hat or helmet over you system it does not recover like real hair and looks really fake. If you find yourself in the sun a lot, then expect the hair to oxidize and start to turn a shade of red. Believe me guys, I wore it for many years and it really was a nightmare. You are always thinking "do they notice". Your best days with the system are at night in dim setting. Then it's undetectable. But when your with the same people like family, friends, and especially colleagues at work, day in and day out, you will eventually have a bad day and get busted. Family and friends are always going to have your back for the most part but co-workers, they can and will be brutal. I did the best I could for the years that I wore it but it came to a point that the bad was out weighing the good. So one day I just decided I had enough and I shaved it off and here I am today praying for a miracle and searching for a cure...

[Kiwi]

Its too late for me brother. Well I suppose its not really too late... but it will be if they don't hurry. I need Histogen to grow back any invisible miniturized hairs quicksmart!!!

[hairysituation]

Maradona is the most bipolar person I've ever witnessed online. I don't blaim him, but he obviously struggles a lot with ups and downs. And to all the people who says that shaving your head is to "move on", I rather say it's to "give up".

Histogen seems like a very promising and honest company which I personally think will help us to maintain all the hairs that we have left for as long as we want (approximate).

In addition, why don't people start to be a little bit more proactive? start to contact companies, contact people who have successfully cured other diseases with stem cell treatments, and also find out about the HST procedure? The power lays in the people. Don't be passive, be proactive.

Finally, a little advice: Get an awesome hair system, get on Finasteride, and thereafter live your life. Also this way you won't go depressed around until these treatments/cures actually hit the marked.

[Kiwi]

Scinmedica. Hate people with hair loss.

This is how we treat companies that **** with hair loss cures.

[john2399]

Well, you can always stay here and endlessly talk about histogen and how these companies are 5 years away.

Or you can just move on from this endless loop and enjoy your life now and if a company ever makes it, that's a plus !

I will follow my own advice from now on.

Well yeah obv we all are trying to move on....but you can't lie in having hope in a company that it could work someday. You want to be realistic and you are prob right that who knows if this crap will even work but having no hope at all just sucks more than hairloss itself.

[Maradona]

alright man lets just enjoy bein miserable than since histogen will never work

Well, you can always stay here and endlessly talk about histogen and how these companies are 5 years away.

Or you can just move on from this endless loop and enjoy your life now and if a company ever makes it, that's a plus !

I will follow my own advice from now on.

[john2399]

We both have the same info, that's right. We can both attain the same info as well.

It's just funny to me how most of you simply choose to do a 'peek-a-boo' at these results. Meaning just looking at those hairs from a patient with almost no hair loss at all except at the temples while at the same time ignoring and blocking the whole scope of this "promising" company.

I just look at things as how they are. If you want to call it negative.

That's fine with me.

edit: also look at this thread. We are ranting about how skin medica slowed histogen down, if you ask me histogen was lucky to be slowed down.

So you're telling me skinmedica went secretly to those patients of histogen trials and stop their hairs from growing out with some "anti-hsc" injection?

hahaha.

alright man lets just enjoy bein miserable than since histogen will never work

[Maradona]

Who are you to give us a reality check thou? Your just another bald sufferer who dosen't have any more info than we do. I get that you want to be the low expectation guy but you don't know any more than we do so whats the point in trying to be so negative or "realistic". Histogen seems promising as hell and if you can't even have hope in this treatment than you might as well shave your head and peace out.

We both have the same info, that's right. We can both attain the same info as well.

It's just funny to me how most of you simply choose to do a 'peek-a-boo' at these results. Meaning just looking at those hairs from a patient with almost no hair loss at all except at the temples while at the same time ignoring and blocking the whole scope of this "promising" company.

I just look at things as how they are. If you want to call it negative.

That's fine with me.

edit: also look at this thread. We are ranting about how skin medica slowed histogen down, if you ask me histogen was lucky to be slowed down.

So you're telling me skinmedica went secretly to those patients of histogen trials and stop their hairs from growing out with some "anti-hsc" injection?

hahaha.

[john2399]

what do you want me to say?

That they will release histogen next year right after phase 2 is done.

We'll be all be flying to asia. Grab each other's hands and jump happily as we walk into the clinic.

Then get a couple of injections on our bald heads, be done with baldness and live happily ever after?

That's what you guys been saying here. There's gotta be someone giving you a reality check.

Who are you to give us a reality check thou? Your just another bald sufferer who dosen't have any more info than we do. I get that you want to be the low expectation guy but you don't know any more than we do so whats the point in trying to be so negative or "realistic". Histogen seems promising as hell and if you can't even have hope in this treatment than you might as well shave your head and peace out.

[Maradona]

You sound like a very fustrated balding guy. Why you even posting on this tread if you dnt believe in histogen? don't get it

what do you want me to say?

That they will release histogen next year right after phase 2 is done.

We'll be all be flying to asia. Grab each other's hands and jump happily as we walk into the clinic.

Then get a couple of injections on our bald heads, be done with baldness and live happily ever after?

That's what you guys been saying here. There's gotta be someone giving you a reality check.

[john2399]

I achieved the same results as that woman with minoxidil. They only have shown results like that for one patient, so there is nothing to get excited about yet.

Most people here think "Oh because it's histogen, replicel or big research companies, these results are super permanent and compoundable and one patient result with some hairs here and there = us norwood 1 in 3 years".

Reality is very different, it could be just another minoxidil (on steroids being optimistic).

If they hit phase 3 that's when it's time to get excited.

I'll be surprised if they ever release it. Personally I doubt it but that's just me and I hope I am wrong.

You sound like a very fustrated balding guy. Why you even posting on this tread if you dnt believe in histogen? don't get it

[Maradona]

Dude, they'll be done with Phase II later this year. I'm ****in pissed off about hair loss too but don't be overwhelmed with negativity; we surely will not have to wait until 2018 for Histogen to release their product.

I achieved the same results as that woman with minoxidil. They only have shown results like that for one patient, so there is nothing to get excited about yet.

Most people here think "Oh because it's histogen, replicel or big research companies, these results are super permanent and compoundable and one patient result with some hairs here and there = us norwood 1 in 3 years".

Reality is very different, it could be just another minoxidil (on steroids being optimistic).

If they hit phase 3 that's when it's time to get excited.

I'll be surprised if they ever release it. Personally I doubt it but that's just me and I hope I am wrong.

[Pate]

Nah dude, I think Phases I & II were combined, not Phase I/IIa. Replicel was the one combining Phases I and IIa.

I think you will find they are still on the IIa side of things - dose ranging study. Even if they don't actually call it a I/IIa - this trial is testing repeat applications on a limited area which makes it dose ranging rather than full efficacy.

I don't know whether they will go straight to Phase III after that or not but I suspect they will need another Phase II. Hopefully I am wrong!

We know the earliest they can realistically release it in Western countries is:

- Finish Phase II end 2012
- Finish Phase III end 2013
- File NDA, wait 10 months to get approved, end 2014

So early 2015 is the absolute earliest we'll see it - three years away.

And the timelines just blow out from there with any possible delays. 6 months of delay between trials to do paperwork or wait on funds. 12 months for another trial if they have to repeat it for whatever reason. 6 months ramp up to get people trained up, equipment ordered, manufacturing pipeline expanded to deal with the high volumes of HSC they'll need.

2018 is pessimistic but unfortunately it's not impossible.

I personally do not believe in this 2014 Asian release that has been mentioned offhand a couple of times, but will be happy to be proven wrong. I live in Australia so Asia is just a short hop away.