Progress of upcoming treatments

[RichardDawkins]

Compoundable means Step by Step almost full regeneration thats the boring end of the story

Btw i dont wanna sound rude but i gues every single one of those treatments is actually aimed for compoundable because this means a little more money :-)

As a math number, this guys said he had prior around 9 hairs and after the first thing around 30 hairs, which equals around 15 Grafts. He went from around 4 Grafts wih visible hair to 15 Grafts.

This actually means that those injections ar reversing your hairloss because if there would be around lets say 14 hairs or so, you could say its the Minoy or FIN thing.

But around 15 Grafts well this is significant. Also i think, if you got multiple injections, your first coming back hairs will also gro stronger and stronger.

Just asume that you could tripple or get at least 15 new grafts everywhere on a complete bald persons head. This would at least transform him from a NW7 to a good NW5 without a linear scar or something

And that the results are getting better and better with multiple injections, this should be clear to everyone for the following reasons.

Hair loss is in fact also baed on a depleted "reservoir" of specific cells which got burned rapidly.

And with multiple injections you fill this reservoir and you stop the hair loss because of the donor characteristics and the immunity to DHT etc.

My prediction is, that for an almost fully restored head you need around 4 to 5 injections every 9 months or so.

I hope the price tag is correct

As you see iam not a pessimistic one nor am i an enthusiastic. I only say what will go on, and believe me 4 to 5 shots on a NW7 guy, a NW6 guy.

4 shots on a NW5 guy

3 on a NW4 guy

And so on

And i also predict, that all the current research will actually succed in providing something to work against hair loss effectively.

And i can also predict, that people who had extensive hair transplants done will not fully profit from those treatments, even if they get 20 injections because if a follicle is dead and destroyed, ist GONE FOREVER, end of Story.

So in other words, if you cant wait till 2014/2015 you should start to do HST on your front until you got the desired result, starting this year. This gives you an edge of around 3 years with each 1700 Grafts per year, resulting in 5100 HST Grafts on your frontal hairline, this should fix the frontal hair line forever and for good, and then use the stem cell treatements and delete your hair loss board accounts, end of a long sad story of your individual hair loss

[born]

If what that guy was saying was true then it's pretty impressive. It didn't produce freakishly thick hair or anything but it is compoundable and a way better option than the stuff we have now. I don't think anyone here would mind getting average looking hair that maybe requires a thickener like toppik without having to go through ordeals like surgery and taking propecia or applying rogaine.

the guy is telling the truth and he is gonna get more injections so in theory he can get more density.Aderans is indeed working otherwise it wouldn't get 100m dollars and it wouldn't expand their research.We are waiting for the results of phase 2 when it's finished.Also histogen and replicel may do the trick.All those companies will get as a treatment in the next 5 years.Until cotsarelis comes with a real cure

[clandestine]

Minoy...gro...asume...tripple...baed...ist

Dawkins, your spelling trips me out sometimes mate.
And a quesion;

So in other words, if you cant wait till 2014/2015 you should start to do HST on your front until you got the desired result, starting this year. This gives you an edge of around 3 years with each 1700 Grafts per year, resulting in 5100 HST Grafts on your frontal hairline, this should fix the frontal hair line forever and for good,

As I am not very well versed in knowledge regarding HST, would having a procedure done to one's front hairline be a permanent fix? For clarification, are the transplanted hairs somehow DHT resistant, or not likely to fall out for other reasons?

[krewel]

are the transplanted hairs somehow DHT resistant, or not likely to fall out for other reasons?

Yes, they are.

[born]

is histogen really working?it's over hyped but i don't see any results.

[clandestine]

Yes, they are.

Right on, thanks for the reply.

Also, curious why Dawkins is advocating the HST procedure in hopes that it will not conflict with upcoming cell treatments, but claims that traditional hair transplants would, in fact, conflict?

Reasoning?

[DepressedByHairLoss]

the guy is telling the truth and he is gonna get more injections so in theory he can get more density.Aderans is indeed working otherwise it wouldn't get 100m dollars and it wouldn't expand their research.We are waiting for the results of phase 2 when it's finished.Also histogen and replicel may do the trick.All those companies will get as a treatment in the next 5 years.Until cotsarelis comes with a real cure

I'm a bit disappointed in Cotsarelis if all he is using to stimulate hair growth is lithium and micro-wounding/derm-abrasion. He seems to be so knowledgeable on the subject of hair regrowth so I was hopefully expecting more from him, and hopefully he is using more elements/chemicals that we don't know about. Cotsarelis was one of the scientists who found that WNT's led to increased hair growth, and lithium (I believe) is a very weak WNT agonist. I wish he would use something more potent, like actual WNT's themselves to regrow hair. That being said, I really have confidence in Histogen because they are actually using WNT proteins to regrow hair and have achieved the results of your average hair transplant on their first try (with compounding their treatment), and Replicel really seem to have a solution for this hair loss curse. Man, I just wish they'd hurry up; living a life with baldness seems like I'm not even living at all.

[BMT]

Compoundable means Step by Step almost full regeneration thats the boring end of the story

Btw i dont wanna sound rude but i gues every single one of those treatments is actually aimed for compoundable because this means a little more money :-)

As a math number, this guys said he had prior around 9 hairs and after the first thing around 30 hairs, which equals around 15 Grafts. He went from around 4 Grafts wih visible hair to 15 Grafts.

This actually means that those injections ar reversing your hairloss because if there would be around lets say 14 hairs or so, you could say its the Minoy or FIN thing.

But around 15 Grafts well this is significant. Also i think, if you got multiple injections, your first coming back hairs will also gro stronger and stronger.

Just asume that you could tripple or get at least 15 new grafts everywhere on a complete bald persons head. This would at least transform him from a NW7 to a good NW5 without a linear scar or something

And that the results are getting better and better with multiple injections, this should be clear to everyone for the following reasons.

Hair loss is in fact also baed on a depleted "reservoir" of specific cells which got burned rapidly.

And with multiple injections you fill this reservoir and you stop the hair loss because of the donor characteristics and the immunity to DHT etc.

My prediction is, that for an almost fully restored head you need around 4 to 5 injections every 9 months or so.

I hope the price tag is correct

As you see iam not a pessimistic one nor am i an enthusiastic. I only say what will go on, and believe me 4 to 5 shots on a NW7 guy, a NW6 guy.

4 shots on a NW5 guy

3 on a NW4 guy

And so on

And i also predict, that all the current research will actually succed in providing something to work against hair loss effectively.

And i can also predict, that people who had extensive hair transplants done will not fully profit from those treatments, even if they get 20 injections because if a follicle is dead and destroyed, ist GONE FOREVER, end of Story.

So in other words, if you cant wait till 2014/2015 you should start to do HST on your front until you got the desired result, starting this year. This gives you an edge of around 3 years with each 1700 Grafts per year, resulting in 5100 HST Grafts on your frontal hairline, this should fix the frontal hair line forever and for good, and then use the stem cell treatements and delete your hair loss board accounts, end of a long sad story of your individual hair loss

Firslty, theres nothing to say that some of the emerging Hair multiplication methods won't create new hairs where none existed, i'm sure thats what replicel are aiming for.

Secondly, say in march Replicel announce great results, but won't be out till 2016. Then you could have a HT by a great FUE surgion, potentially get a better result that you would with GHO - and top up with HM. It would be less of a reason to use GHO, because your not going to be in a position where you'll need those extra donor hairs.

[krewel]

Firslty, theres nothing to say that some of the emerging Hair multiplication methods won't create new hairs where none existed, i'm sure thats what replicel are aiming for.

Secondly, say in march Replicel announce great results, but won't be out till 2016. Then you could have a HT by a great FUE surgion, potentially get a better result that you would with GHO - and top up with HM. It would be less of a reason to use GHO, because your not going to be in a position where you'll need those extra donor hairs.

First of all, you are about so spend money for your own body, it's not a TV or something. Since Ghos technique is clearly the better one, it's one reason enough to go for him.

Secondly, still going for FUE is stupid. First because Gho's solution is the better one. Furthermore it's about to take some changes here and stop sticking to the past. Gho's procedure should become the standard. I think everyone should take some responsibility here. But that's just my personal view.

[BMT]

The technique may be superior - but there are surgions that give superior results using the standard FUE. For example - i've seen some excellent results of patients using 2500 - 3000 grafts FUE in the hands of a top surgion which may be enough for many years.

If HM comes in, it could well trump Gho, as its much less invastive and has the potential to give better results. The idea of going from a NW 6 - NW 2 with GHO would take a long time...

Personally, if HM works and we hear good news this year, i'll be going with a world glass FUE surgion for 3000 grafts -

Having said that i think its great that GHO is out there! Just there are lots of ways to skin this cat.

[bigentries]

Personally, if HM works and we hear good news this year, i'll be going with a world glass FUE surgion for 3000 grafts -

Count me in, if we see good news this year, I'll wait a few months and will start to search for good FUE doctors to fix my hairline. By the time the rest of my hair would need attention HM would already be there

I also don't see the reason why to choose Gho over a good FUE doctor. Gho might offer regrowth (and that is still unconfirmed), but it's way more expensive. And people overreact about FUE scarring, I never read anyone complain about it before Gho started to sound again

Concerning Aderans, even if they only bring half of the density, I'm in. I can buzz it for the rest of my life

[DotheDewNorwood2]

Replicel

Is anyone else waiting for Replicel data from Phase I to be released. If so, does anyone know when? I feel like this could be the biggest game changer in the hair loss industry. And yes, if positive results are shown in HM in 2012, I will start saving for a hair transplant too.

[Pate]

Is anyone else waiting for Replicel data from Phase I to be released.

LOL. Only every single man and woman in Spencer's following!

Results should be available hopefully by the end of March 2012.

[RichardDawkins]

Well thats your opinion but if i have the chance, i will do it right from the start, because you simply dont know if you ever need donor hair again. And you can go to your FUE guy but i would sta with HST thats it.

I dont care if i had to go to Gho two times instead of one time (FUE surgery) as long as i have not wasted any donor, have a lesser downtime and no shotgun scars.

Also you dont know if you will ever shave your head just for fun or mabe illness or something. And then nice white shootgun holes in the back of your head will make you look disfigured as a linear scar would, and thats the end of the story

[Pate]

Also you dont know if you will ever shave your head just for fun or mabe illness or something. And then nice white shootgun holes in the back of your head will make you look disfigured as a linear scar would, and thats the end of the story

A guy who works in my building has obviously had FUE.... a lot of FUE. His doner zone is so depleted he has a big bald patch at the back of his head. I don't know what doctor did it but it looks pretty bad.

But for all that, I can't see a single scar on the back of his head, and I've looked pretty carefully when I've been behind him in the elevator. It's just really sparse.

I figure a doctor who is so eager to fleece money out of his patients he'd do that probably isn't the greatest surgeon in the world, but even so he's managed to do it without noticeable scarring. I guess some guys get the white shotgun scars and some just don't.

Incidentally he is what really put me off FUE and transplants in general. On top of the bald patch he has a really unnatural head of hair, too thin overall and noticeably thicker but still unnatural looking for about half an inch at the hairline. Judging on family history I'm almost certain to end up a full NW6 and this guy is proof that a NW6 just does not generally have enough donor hair to look natural.

I would have to be pretty damn certain Replicel or Aderans is going to work in the near future before I went under the knife.