Tocotrienol (vitamin E) may reverse male pattern baldness

[KeepHoping]

Let me rephrase that, anyone that takes toco-sorb, can you please tell me how much you take a day. Thank you.

[VictimOfDHT]

how come so many newly registered users report good results, when everyone else says that it's useless

Hmmm...why. Maybe because the "so many newly registered users" are the same person. Come on. Does it really need to be answered. You see, every now and then we get a crook who tries to make a quick buck by promoting some snake oil. He comes to this forum and similar others and makes like 20 different screen names and makes up some fake bull shit testimonies...... well, you get the idea.

[clandestine]

Personally I would withhold judgement before efficacy of said treatment can be verified or debunked. We should refrain from making assumptions based on personal opinion when considering possible treatments.

That said, I find 'doesitwork's posts to be hilarious. Troll perhaps.

[doesitwork]

Hilarious, based on studies is even moreso

Since I always look for medical journal studies before I "try" something, my Dad calls me a "Walking Enclyclopedia with a Sense of Humor," so thanks.

The tocotrienols DO have a published placebo-controlled trial and that's why I feel like it's worth talking about.

The same is true of Nizoral shampoo, and iron deficiency being associated with hair loss, as well with some weaker data on taking biotin.

The fatal question is "Does it have published data that supports it?"
Which of course means, "Does it work?"

[doesitwork]

Toco-Sorb - I take four a day

How much of the Toco-sorb do you guys take a day?

I started with two a day, but it's known to be quite safe and actually has what we might call "anti-aging' effects, such as lowers cholesterol, protects the prostate from cancer, etc...

So I upped it to three a day, because my hair grew thicker. And whoever said it makes a beard grow faster is right. Damn, I hate having to shave more...
Then four a day, because after reading on the www.michaelmooney.net/hair.html that his hair got darker - I figured why not take a bit more.

Looking at the science, tocotrienols are far more potent in some portions of metabolism than vitamin E, as far as protecting tissue from damage, so I see them as helping keep me younger.

[doesitwork]

Newbies might come because someone said this site has good information

how come so many newly registered users report good results, when everyone else says that it's useless

There's a bodybuilding site that has dozens of posts on tocotrienols and I'd say about half of them say they grew more hair. One of the guys there told me to check this site for more good information.

And I see people have looked at some of the same things I have, including Nizoral shampoo, which it seems has an effect, although weaker than tocotrienols. Nizoral, like tocotrienols, has published studies, and has a known potential mode of action, so it's not some mystery sauce dreamed up by marketers.

[2020]

There's a bodybuilding site that has dozens of posts on tocotrienols and I'd say about half of them say they grew more hair. One of the guys there told me to check this site for more good information.

And I see people have looked at some of the same things I have, including Nizoral shampoo, which it seems has an effect, although weaker than tocotrienols. Nizoral, like tocotrienols, has published studies, and has a known potential mode of action, so it's not some mystery sauce dreamed up by marketers.

ok, but I'm pretty sure that most of those people on that forum weren't suffering from MPB but instead from some temporary hair loss caused by steroids or whatever...

how could toco make hair grow if a hair follicle is dead?

[doesitwork]

Dead Follicles don't. Damaged follicles can.

ok, but I'm pretty sure that most of those people on that forum weren't suffering from MPB but instead from some temporary hair loss caused by steroids or whatever...

Yessir - roid-related-alopecia. lol.

how could toco make hair grow if a hair follicle is dead?

It can't. But if a follicle is just experiencing oxidative damage caused by reactive oxygen species (ROS), which has been pointed at in a published study [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10965354], and the antioxidant properties of specific tocotrienols neutralized the ROS, the follicle might become healthy, and thus it starts going through its normal growth phases.

[StressedToTheBald]

how could toco make hair grow if a hair follicle is dead?

As the latest researches say, folicles don't die - even those in final balding stages, with shiny bald heads haven't exactly lost their hairs in scientific sense of the word. Roots and hair folicles are still there but have minatured to an extreme degree, due to DHT, that they are not visible.

[goldbondmafia]

As the latest researches say, folicles don't die - even those in final balding stages, with shiny bald heads haven't exactly lost their hairs in scientific sense of the word. Roots and hair folicles are still there but have minatured to an extreme degree, due to DHT, that they are not visible.

That is BIG news if true

[StressedToTheBald]

That is BIG news if true

It is true, but its not really helping much. The problem always was and still is how to activate these hair folicles to grow and behave like the rest of the healthy hair. The difference between us who are going bald and those who aren't is in genes. We inherited hairs that react poorly to DHT while the other people with full set of hair - all their hairs are resistant to DHT, thats why they never go bald. Life ain't fair, some people are simply born with better or worse set of genes, changing the genes would be a scientific miracle & BIG news if You ask me.

[born]

It is true, but its not really helping much. The problem always was and still is how to activate these hair folicles to grow and behave like the rest of the healthy hair. The difference between us who are going bald and those who aren't is in genes. We inherited hairs that react poorly to DHT while the other people with full set of hair - all their hairs are resistant to DHT, thats why they never go bald. Life ain't fair, some people are simply born with better or worse set of genes, changing the genes would be a scientific miracle & BIG news if You ask me.

that's what cotsarelis is working on. It would be the best treatment if a magical cream came out that could wake all the follicles.No need for transplants injections etc

[2020]

As the latest researches say, folicles don't die - even those in final balding stages, with shiny bald heads haven't exactly lost their hairs in scientific sense of the word. Roots and hair folicles are still there but have minatured to an extreme degree, due to DHT, that they are not visible.

yes but those follicles shrunk due to DAMAGE. PERMANENT DAMAGE. No natural treatment will reverse it...

[StressedToTheBald]

I believe that if cure is ever developed - it will work from inside, nothing topical. The problem itself is inside, what happens to our hair, outside, is just a consequence.

Folicles are not permanently damaged. They don't die !
Please read the following:

January 4, 2011
"Dr. George Cotsarelis, chairman of the dermatology department at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine...
"...The follicles that make hair don't go away completely, but they become miniaturized, to the point where the hair they normally make to replace hair when it naturally falls out becomes microscopic and therefore invisible," Cotsarelis said.
There are still just as many stem cells in the bald scalp that can make hair as there are in the normal haired scalp, and that was an important and surprising finding, Cotsarelis said.
...However, those hoping for a treatment anytime soon will have to wait. "Taking something from the lab to the clinic often takes decades, so there's no treatment around the corner," Cotsarelis cautioned. "It's really going to take quite a while to figure this out.""

[doesitwork]

DHT enlists superoxide to damage follicles

It is true, but its not really helping much. The problem always was and still is how to activate these hair folicles to grow and behave like the rest of the healthy hair. The difference between us who are going bald and those who aren't is in genes. We inherited hairs that react poorly to DHT while the other people with full set of hair - all their hairs are resistant to DHT, thats why they never go bald. Life ain't fair, some people are simply born with better or worse set of genes, changing the genes would be a scientific miracle & BIG news if You ask me.

Well, apparently there may be a way to thrwart genetics.

If DHT exerts its destructive behavior by enlisting super oxide, which damages follicles, Search "superoxide" in http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2956962/ - this is where tocotrienols might come in, as these potent antioxidants can neutralize superoxide.