ICRAH 2011 - Aderans (March 20th)

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  • UK_
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 2691

    #16
    Originally posted by gmonasco
    This is the part where UK will claim that "successfully" actually means the same thing as "anticipating."
    The question is not what success means to me, but what it means to you, only then shall you see the light.

    I do not assume at all that their phase II will be a success, all I am pointing out is that (and however false a contention you believe this to be it is no less plausible than your view) if everything does go well then the product shall be on the market for 2014 - 2015.

    Of course timelines are meaningless, anything can go wrong, but it is equally as meaningless to propose that they are not/will not successfully reach Phase III and market. However I can say to my argument that 200 patients and a 70% response rate from treatment with no reported deliterous effects is a significant find, otherwise we wouldn't be here talking about it, and they wouldn't still be in trials conducting presentations half-way across the globe.

    They have provided positive results and improved their process over time, I do believe their current findings qualify for the status of success, especially with the seemingly impossible -mountain of a task male pattern hair loss really is, now this leads nicely to my original question, what does success mean to you?

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    Rather than sitting here screaming, moaning and insulting the researchers conducting this research by calling them 'lying bastards' how about congratulating and praising the entire team, their efforts and the great results they have achieved to date.

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    • HairTalk
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 252

      #17
      Originally posted by UK_
      The question is not what success means to me, but what it means to you, only then shall you see the light.

      I do not assume at all that their phase II will be a success, all I am pointing out is that (and however false a contention you believe this to be it is no less plausible than your view) if everything does go well then the product shall be on the market for 2014 - 2015.

      Of course timelines are meaningless, anything can go wrong, but it is equally as meaningless to propose that they are not/will not successfully reach Phase III and market. However I can say to my argument that 200 patients and a 70% response rate from treatment with no reported deliterous effects is a significant find, otherwise we wouldn't be here talking about it, and they wouldn't still be in trials conducting presentations half-way across the globe.

      They have provided positive results and improved their process over time, I do believe their current findings qualify for the status of success, especially with the seemingly impossible -mountain of a task male pattern hair loss really is, now this leads nicely to my original question, what does success mean to you?

      -

      Rather than sitting here screaming, moaning and insulting the researchers conducting this research by calling them 'lying bastards' how about congratulating and praising the entire team, their efforts and the great results they have achieved to date.
      Could you provide a link to the results currently available from phase I trials (I imagine they are what you've cited)?

      Thank you.

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      • RichardDawkins
        Inactive
        • Jan 2011
        • 895

        #18
        huuu a given timeline from Ari and they shorten it down to 2014/ 2015 seems someone is panic about Histogen and co :-)

        My problem with Ari is, they seem to "Elite" thinking while Histogen is more like a Student Start up company :-) which is both good.

        Why i say its a success is simple, if it would be a failure, they would stop burning money immediately and put their effort in anything else or bought thenselves into Histogen or other stuff

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        • UK_
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 2691

          #19
          Originally posted by HairTalk
          Could you provide a link to the results currently available from phase I trials (I imagine they are what you've cited)?

          Thank you.
          No, I was not referring to Phase I, regarding the statement of a 70% response rate, I was referring interim data to their strongest protocol (seventh protocol I believe) in which results were presented in Tokyo last year. Also note, I do not know if it is a 'stronger' compound/procedure all I know is that their seventh protocol, for some reason not known to us, worked best.

          Their macrophotogenic assessment revealed also:

          From baseline:

          +62% Total Hair Growth
          +79% Terminal Hair Count
          +50% Vellus Hair Count


          So, unless they are lying through their teeth, the take-home message is, it can be done.

          Their phase I (a UK based trial) was the weakest protocol and resulted in a 30% response rate, it can be viewed here:



          The phase II, currently at 200 participants, (Tokyo presentation of phase II results):

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          • matlondon
            Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 99

            #20
            i think it will be out most likely end of next year, if the results are better than expected like thay have been so far i guess it'll come out before 2014.

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