Should i get Kerastem therapy in Siwzterland?

[Only22]

Guys need a bit of advice from anybody who might be a bit more knowledgable about kerastem than me. Basically hairloss started in july been using minoxidil for 2 months and hairline has barely receded thanks to minox. Don't know how much i would of receded without minox but basically im very early stages!

I went to Switzerland earlier in the month to visit the clinic where they currently offer kerastem therapy. The doctor there is a leading stem cell scientist within swizterland and has used adipose derived stem cells for renegeration in other parts of the body (such as breasts). It was hard to resist his sales ploy as he told me the procedure was extremely safe no risk of cancer from stem cells etc. I now wonder why the style trial in the US has the primary outcome of 'assessing the safety and tolerability' of the therapy when many publications i have seen claim using adipose derived stem cells are indeed safe?

Does anyone know more about the procedure? Apparently results can last over 2 years?! it cost around $6000 which i would be prepared to pay if it worked! Should i wait for more results or should i go for it?

Cheers Guys

[Hubris]

Guys need a bit of advice from anybody who might be a bit more knowledgable about kerastem than me. Basically hairloss started in july been using minoxidil for 2 months and hairline has barely receded thanks to minox. Don't know how much i would of receded without minox but basically im very early stages!

I went to Switzerland earlier in the month to visit the clinic where they currently offer kerastem therapy. The doctor there is a leading stem cell scientist within swizterland and has used adipose derived stem cells for renegeration in other parts of the body (such as breasts). It was hard to resist his sales ploy as he told me the procedure was extremely safe no risk of cancer from stem cells etc. I now wonder why the style trial in the US has the primary outcome of 'assessing the safety and tolerability' of the therapy when many publications i have seen claim using adipose derived stem cells are indeed safe?

Does anyone know more about the procedure? Apparently results can last over 2 years?! it cost around $6000 which i would be prepared to pay if it worked! Should i wait for more results or should i go for it?

Cheers Guys

No one can tell you what to do when it comes to spending your cash on experimental treatments - that is up to you. It basically comes down to whether you are willing to spend $6,000 on a treatment that may or may not work, and isn't yet known to be 100% safe. That is the risk/reward equation that you have to figure out independently based on current evidence.

Personally, I would try it if I had enough money that I could tolerate getting no results and essentially knowing that I had wasted that money. I'm not particularly concerned about the safety profile of this treatment.

[allTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

I wouldn't gamble that sort of money. That's transplant money, vastly higher chance of a satisfying result with that.

[navi]

I had prp done thinking that lets try it atleast. I lost 40 % hair until now and still shedding extremely.Never assume that a treatment cant have negative effects until its clinically proven, my advice would be to go with minoxidil and finastride only.

[champpy]

Navi, i too had prp almost a year ago, and my shedding has been nonstop since that treatment. Full blown overdrive. Lost 10%-15% density this yr, no joke. Cant say it was prp, but it's a wild coincidence.
Unless kerastem can blow you away with before and after photos don't risk it yet man

[navi]

Can you think of anything else that might have caused ur shedding?i mean were you on finastride or anything before after that you think might have caused sheding instead of prp?And have you talked to doctor who did prp, i am really depressed with this shedding and now feel that i might go completely bald due to this.

[bornthisway]

I'd go for it if we can believe the before/afters... don't they have more before/afters to share with you? I would at least ask for that. From what I remember KeraStem photos were impressive.

Regarding the PRP guys, I wouldn't blame PRP for your hair loss, it'd be a reported side effect by now if it was happening to others as 1000s have undergone PRP.

[navi]

Surprisingly, there are so many people on this forum that are reporting negative effects of prp, as in extreme shedding ,but no one who is saying that he had any improvement whatsoever with prp. No offense.

[Only22]

No one can tell you what to do when it comes to spending your cash on experimental treatments - that is up to you. It basically comes down to whether you are willing to spend $6,000 on a treatment that may or may not work, and isn't yet known to be 100% safe. That is the risk/reward equation that you have to figure out independently based on current evidence.

Personally, I would try it if I had enough money that I could tolerate getting no results and essentially knowing that I had wasted that money. I'm not particularly concerned about the safety profile of this treatment.

Ok thanks man appreciate the advise... going to explore prp first before this i think!

[navi]

Please dont go with prp , i am again warning you i though the same but ended up losing my hairline and crown

[Occulus]

There are only two verified treatments for hair loss: finasteride and minoxidil. There is strong anecdotal evidence that ketoconazole may have some value in combating hair loss, but it is only anecdotal. Everything else - EVERYTHING ELSE - is a scam. Period. do you really think some "clinic" in Switzerland has discovered the cure for hair loss, and has not sold it to a major pharmacodynamics a billion dollars? Or, at the very least, hadn't opened 1000 clinics around the world to offer this miraculous cure?

Save your money and get some scripts for Proscar and Nizoral 2%, and buy some Rogaine. That is the best and only way to save what hair you have left, and possibly (but not likely) to grow some hair back.

[champpy]

Ive been on fin and dut way before the prp. Actually the shedding slowed down for about a week after the procedure, then after that week thats when the big sheds started to happen. Im almost 1 yr post treatment and i can say there was NO benefit to the prp at all

[cannonball]

As far as I know this treatment is not PRP, neither it was invented by a clinic in switzerland. Ken Washenik who is a renowned hair researcher is behind this technology. Washenik worked for Aderans and Bosley if I remember correctly. According to their website (kerastem.com) they are in phase II clinical trials in the US. I would say if this works or not is yet to be seen.

[Swooping]

"Alias123" from this forum went to some clinic(s) in Switzerland to get ADSC injections as far as I can remember. He lost like 8000 euro and gained nothing out of it. Be careful.

[whatsgoingon]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12630766

ketoconazole treated animals (p < 0.05). PGD2, PGE2 and 6-keto-F1a levels increased to 7.1 ng/mL, 8.3 ng/mL, and 13.6 ng/mL from 3 ng/mL, 5.8 ng/mL, and 0.02 ng/mL respectively (p < 0.001).

Decided to read up on PGD2/PGE2 a bit and if its involved in hairloss drugs. So if I'm understanding this right it increased both PGD2(bad) and PGE2(good), but it increased PDG2 to a higher level than PGE2, but increased PGE2 by a greater amount.

So maybe that's why it helps slow hairloss, because there is possibly less PGD2. But I don't know a lot about this, and have no idea what 6-keto-F1a and if it's relevant the hairloss.