2 Years Later: Arashi, Your Thoughts on Pilox

[bigentries]

I'm naive because I want people to have a discussion about Pilox's proposed method of action? I'm not even saying this device is succesful. I'd rather have people chime in on why they think it would or wouldn't work from a scientific perspective so I can further my knowledge, rather than speculating solely on the credibility of the guys selling the device and sharing the pics.

Honestly, there was a Chinese guy selling a chlorine serum, and it appeared really shady. But regardless, people discussed the legitimacy of the scientific principle behind it. And the thing never worked, but it brought up a lot of good discussions which could be a gateway to something better.

Pilox, itself, may not work at all. However, it relies back somewhat on certain theories that have been discussed previously. That's what I'm interested in discussing. Heck, like I said, the CB Phase I trials which were extremely succesful were using a similar setup, so I think that alone deserves some discussion.

No one here is gonna master iontophoresis anytime soon, but why is it so farfetch to say we can have a 1k$ device which mimics the same operation method?

If someone came here saying he was growing hair with dog feces and dermarolling, should people discuss the proposed method of action or ask him for hard evidence?

There are hundred of studies with ambiguous results concerning MPB. They are using Zinc and copper this time. But what is stopping anyone from picking, let's say, curcumin and rosemary and making a "revolutionary product" that is supported by a dozen of ambiguous and contradictory studies?

Discussion about the proposed method of action should only come after the supposed results are proven. Otherwise, you only give scammers a free pass. The Chlorine guy took advantage of that and sold his solution behind the scenes, even when he promised he wasn't doing it

Not to say that it just feeds the bs concerning alternative treatments. There are people that still swear by Zix to this day, and it only needed a couple of dubious posters with "evidence" and a handful of supporters that were more interested in the "proposed method of action" instead of asking themselves if they were being fooled again

[NeedHairASAP]

If someone came here saying he was growing hair with dog feces and dermarolling, should people discuss the proposed method of action or ask him for hard evidence?

There are hundred of studies with ambiguous results concerning MPB. They are using Zinc and copper this time. But what is stopping anyone from picking, let's say, curcumin and rosemary and making a "revolutionary product" that is supported by a dozen of ambiguous and contradictory studies?

Discussion about the proposed method of action should only come after the supposed results are proven. Otherwise, you only give scammers a free pass. The Chlorine guy took advantage of that and sold his solution behind the scenes, even when he promised he wasn't doing it

Not to say that it just feeds the bs concerning alternative treatments. There are people that still swear by Zix to this day, and it only needed a couple of dubious posters with "evidence" and a handful of supporters that were more interested in the "proposed method of action" instead of asking themselves if they were being fooled again

Dude nobody needs you to save them from scammers. We're on a forum of grown men. Get a grip.

[inbrugge]

If someone came here saying he was growing hair with dog feces and dermarolling, should people discuss the proposed method of action or ask him for hard evidence?

There are hundred of studies with ambiguous results concerning MPB. They are using Zinc and copper this time. But what is stopping anyone from picking, let's say, curcumin and rosemary and making a "revolutionary product" that is supported by a dozen of ambiguous and contradictory studies?

Discussion about the proposed method of action should only come after the supposed results are proven. Otherwise, you only give scammers a free pass. The Chlorine guy took advantage of that and sold his solution behind the scenes, even when he promised he wasn't doing it

Not to say that it just feeds the bs concerning alternative treatments. There are people that still swear by Zix to this day, and it only needed a couple of dubious posters with "evidence" and a handful of supporters that were more interested in the "proposed method of action" instead of asking themselves if they were being fooled again

I'm more interested about delivery using electric charges because of iontophoresis. Like I said CB had great results during Phase I with very low doses because the iontophoresis device delivers the chemical directly to the follicles. However, people using CB on their own did not have any significant results and (if I recall correctly) there is a general feeling that the CB Phase II testing wasn't going so well. I believe the main roadblock is the vehicle. Even if you look back, there was a huge 'uproar' when Desmond announced he had figured out a proper vehicle for CB.

Thus, it seems implicative that the success of CB phase I was mainly due to the delivery method rather than CB, itself, being a great compound. Similarly, I did not even contemplate too much on the DHT-blocking effects or mechanisms of Zinc, Copper, etc. Even if these are mild DHT blockers, if the electric current is succesfully in delivering that particle, I am speculating it could bring results.

Then, we could use Pilox or a similar device to deliver a compound of our choice which we know is much more effective, or even minox, at much smaller doses with minimal side effects (because the already-reduced amount being applied would be attaching directly to follices rather than mixing into the blood stream. I take the 'CB becomes completely harmless once it's metabolized in the blood stream' claim with a pinch of salt.)

[awdtnr91]

Dear 'Arashi The Great'


I am writing to ask you for your humble opinion on Pilox. 2 years you stated this was an unequivocal scam. Many people took this for the gospel truth, and it is considered a scam by many now because of your godly white knighting instincts (for which we will be forever grateful for saving us from our own stupidness)





More information has come up around the internet on Pilox in the last few days. What do you make of the new user photos posted recently?

your humble student,

NeedHairASAP

Hey needhairasap, didn't you already use this product? How are your results?

[Seuxin]

Yes, it will be good to have news about thaht. When will be released ? Any idea of price ? Thanks

[Arashi]

Dude nobody needs you to save them from scammers. We're on a forum of grown men. Get a grip.

If people like you wouldnt hype every new unproven product out there, people like Bigentries and me wouldnt have to post at all. It's ok to be enthousiastic about something new but man, you always take it to a whole new level. How many products have you hyped already that turned out to work exactly as good as snake oil ? And you just keep doing it. No matter how often you were wrong.

There are tons of desperate young baldies out there, not realizing what kind of risks they are taking by trying these unproven products that most likely wont work. Sure in this case I doubt someone would die of Pilox, but other products you hyped were less harmless.

Everybody has their own responsibility, yet it goes against everything I stand for to give scammers an open forum and facilitate them to push their products onto desperate baldies, like you always do. And if you cant deal with that, then I present your last quote: "Get a grip."

[NeedHairASAP]

It will be out before christmas.

Arashi will own a pilox within a year

mark my words

[awdtnr91]

It will be out before christmas.

Arashi will own a pilox within a year

mark my words

Needhair... didnt you use this device earlier this year

[NeedHairASAP]

Needhair... didnt you use this device earlier this year

No...

1. a booklet of impressive pictures surfaced on the forums maybe 2 years ago

2. A guy vraf posted results (they were inconclusive)

3. They have website with okay before/after (nothing compared to the leaked picture book imo)

4. This guy dorzy seems to be reacting nicely (more similar to the results we saw in the leaked picture booklet)


Thats pretty much all were working off of in terms of results. The other info we know is that the company has been working on it for more than 5 years... they're on version 6-10 of the device (in terms of more features/improvements/refinement)... and they have at least 3-5 patents they'ved filed over the last years.

That's give or take all we know.

Oh, and there is some science behind the mechanism. The question is really: Does this device actually execute what it says it does? In other words, does it really deliver copper and zinc ions via iontophersis?

As of now its only available in israel and costs $1000.... somebody said they got an email saying it'd be sold more widely in mid- Q4 2015 (i.e. before the new year)

[awdtnr91]

No...

1. a booklet of impressive pictures surfaced on the forums maybe 2 years ago

2. A guy vraf posted results (they were inconclusive)

3. They have website with okay before/after (nothing compared to the leaked picture book imo)

4. This guy dorzy seems to be reacting nicely (more similar to the results we saw in the leaked picture booklet)


Thats pretty much all were working off of in terms of results. The other info we know is that the company has been working on it for more than 5 years... they're on version 6-10 of the device (in terms of more features/improvements/refinement)... and they have at least 3-5 patents they'ved filed over the last years.

That's give or take all we know.

Oh, and there is some science behind the mechanism. The question is really: Does this device actually execute what it says it does? In other words, does it really deliver copper and zinc ions via iontophersis?

As of now its only available in israel and costs $1000.... somebody said they got an email saying it'd be sold more widely in mid- Q4 2015 (i.e. before the new year)

Awesome. Thank you so much. I reached out a week back. They said the us release will be in a couple of weeks? Also, they wouldn't share any pictures due to confidentiality. I don't know if this is a good sign as the company could just blur faces?

[Seuxin]

Hello,

Zinc and cooper will be enough to make regroiwth and kill dht ????

If it's already available in Isreal, why no ad on tv, and web ??

[bigentries]

It will be out before christmas.

Arashi will own a pilox within a year

mark my words

Dude seriously now that you are making bets.

If this crap is 100% proven to be a scam in 2016, can you please just stop posting in public forums?

Make this the last thing you were wrong about, seriously

[NeedHairASAP]

Needhair... didnt you use this device earlier this year

[NeedHairASAP]

Hello,

Zinc and cooper will be enough to make regroiwth and kill dht ????

If it's already available in Isreal, why no ad on tv, and web ??

We don't know. It's definitely possible. There is a large amount of literature that says copper and zinc are good for hair. There is also literature saying that together, they can create anti-imflamatory environments in skin. The reason nobody stumbled on this before may be because nobody used copper+zinc with iontophersis delivery.

CB taken orally had blah results, but when they delivered CB with iontophersis-- they had amazing results. It seems to make a massive difference in results... way more accurate in its delivery.

Hence, there is enough reason to keep an eye on pilox (at the very least). There are plenty of educated posters who feel the same way. Most of the people nay-saying are either:

1. not informed about all the information that's come out about this... research... all the curcumstances, etc. --- or

2. Posters who cry scam about everything like bigentries and arashi. Of course this could be a scam. But guys like this feel the need to say it over and over and over and try to cut off any conversation about it. They also try to kick company reps (our only source of information) off the forums as well. Which leaves us with less info about the product, and more likely to be scammed.... ironic, really.


of course it could not work.. but if I had to take a guess right now, I would say it's probably legit. I'm not sure it's a cure, but I'm guessing it will replace minox. It may also replace fin.

Again, this is completely conjecture, but I think HTs + Pilox could be the best option for the next 5 years.. baring any surprises from new unheard of companies.

[Keki]

The second pic it's too good to be real, too much hairs for 8 weeks of treatment come on...