Follicum results vs Minoxidil, Great Promise

[JosephFT]

Re: Sogeking

I did not make a claim that this would be available in 4 years. I have my own reasons why I feel that way and it's my personal opinion.

Replicel showed over 19% growth increase in multiple subjects and had issues with their transportation process of the conditioned cells in the first trial, according to David Hall CEO.

Follicept is still in development phase. Nothing has been proven one way or the other. Their official trial has not even commenced yet.

It didn't take a lot for me to come to these grounded conclusions about Replicel and Follicept which are both true.

My wish is that more people on this forum would realize that gratitude and support are the only way to get what you want.

I will not be debating/answering questions further with the people who do want to see things clearly.

[Sogeking]

@JosephFT
Can you substantiate the claims for this coming to market in 4 years. Since this is a Swedish product (if I remember right) I guess they will go through EMA first. I don't know how long does it take to go through EMA, but I doubt it is as low as 4 years.

There have been plenty of new potential treatments growing hair on mice. Replicel had 50% new terminal hair growth in mice. Only 6-7 % average in humans in their Phase I trials.

And we all know about Follicept as the recent example.
Will this work? I have no problem about new treatment trying to come ot market but unless they show substantial hair growth in humans there is no point in caring about it.

[JosephFT]

Perhaps the only question that some members of this site might ask themselves

"Am I really in favor of a new hair growth treatment coming to be?"

[Renee]

Stop flooding this forums with bs creams and lotions that show hair growth on mice.

[Renee]

Ha ha ha look at follicept it grew hair on mice better than minoxidil but on humans 0. So your logic is flawed.

[JayM]

I completely agree and applaud your logic.

I also see this being released commercially within about 4 years.

Could you explain why you think this? Or why it will be faster than most trials?

[JosephFT]

That's true, but I guess the idea is if it grows hair better than minoxidil on mice, the improvement should translate to humans as well (since minox helps humans as well).

I completely agree and applaud your logic.

I also see this being released commercially within about 4 years.

[inbrugge]

If those results are on mice, I wouldn't get too excited. Everything seems to grow hair on mice!

That's true, but I guess the idea is if it grows hair better than minoxidil on mice, the improvement should translate to humans as well (since minox helps humans as well).

[burtandernie]

Nothing has released yet with 21st century cure bill so no one knows how fast it will speed anything up. Anything starting trials now isnt coming out for a very very long time.

[ghostrider]

10 years from now!

[macbeth81]

This was posted about last year, and the OP included a link to their patient.

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/17923-Follicum

[JayM]

Hopefully we can learn a lot about them since they will be presenting at the hair congress in florida this year.

Tenma, do you really think it would take them 10 years to get this to market? Especially if they are using factors found in our own bodies? I don't know if Sweden has any sort of 21st Century Cures Act, but if they do wouldn't that cut the trials down to a year or two max?

I'm not entirely certain how the act will work but as far as I'm aware it doesn't matter where the trials have taken place ect for you to still apply for early release. You have to be careful with this 10 years time thing as well. This is a company which formed in 2004 and has pretty much been working heavily on this. In 2011 they filed a patent and now they are also working with 2 other companies for the production of this drug and rolling out the trials. These are companies which are big in their fields already so hopefully you wont get the delays with mediums ect like with replicel. If things go smoothly it won't be 10 years. If they do a replicel, then probably 10 years haha. And obviously the fact nothing seems to bloody work aha.

On another note. Joseph, have you found or been directed to where we can read the patent for this technology?

[champpy]

Hopefully we can learn a lot about them since they will be presenting at the hair congress in florida this year.

Tenma, do you really think it would take them 10 years to get this to market? Especially if they are using factors found in our own bodies? I don't know if Sweden has any sort of 21st Century Cures Act, but if they do wouldn't that cut the trials down to a year or two max?

[Tenma]

Its a good thing they are planning human trials

But lets be honest, this compound is like 10 years away from its commercial release.

Also those graphs show hair regrowth on mice, not humans

[JosephFT]

Joachim: Me and Jan go way back we used to play ball at the local park. Just kidding. I think Dr. Allenfall respects the integrity and sincerity of my work at FollicleThought and that's how it happened.
The technology of Follicum is based on endogenous proteins that have been modified and when studied they were found to stimulate hair growth. The founders have been working on the research for about 11 years. They have even collaborated with renowned hair researcher Ralf Paus over the past several years.

I don't mind answering questions guys, but please read the articles first. Especially the write up from Dr. Allenfall in my older Follicum article. All of the information is there.