AAPE Trials - I'll be experimenting with it

[bandage]

Hi guys, does anyone know do Prostemics ship to Europe? Do they have/need EU approval? Their website only says: "The brand AAPE is approved by dermatologists and medical professionals from Korea, Japan and USA".

Also, judging from robodoc's comments, the process of injecting the scalp is rather painful. How deep do these injections have to go? Just as far as the dermis? I appreciate that it would be hard to judge a fraction of a millimetre

[nofintowin]

1) Just email the prostemics rep and ask her abotu EU shipment. I wrote her email somewhere here in the thread

2) My doc uses a 31-G needle, as per the AAPE studies. Scientifically, don't know how deep he goes, but it honestly doesn't hurt much. I don't even use a topical anesthetic during the session

3) FYI, going in for my third set of injections on Wednesday

[Hemo]

Assume you haven't seen any regrowth?

[nofintowin]

Keep in mind that I started with my first session on April 28. So far, don't think I have any new hairs. Existing hair may be thicker (my girlfriend thinks my hair has gotten thicker, but that may be due to blowdrying), but not sure honestly. Also feel like shedding has decreased a bit. Will check out the pictures the doc took soon, but nothing major to report yet and I've refrained from posting anything about results until I'm quite certain about things. Definitely need a few more sessions to assess that as it's too early.

[Ziggyz123]

Keep at it dude. You and everyone knows it takes time. Probably won't notice anything really until 6 months. Thanks for the updates! Good luckkkkk

[nofintowin]

no problem man. I'll be as unbiased as I can. Many people on here go crazy / pessimistic with things, but life is too short for that.

[LMS]

Hey nofintowin,

I just completed my first set of self administered injections of AAPE. I just have a few questions about your injections:

1) When recieving injections, do you temporarily get "pustules" or bumps at the injection site? As I experienced this and was not alarmed, considering it is a intradermal injection, none the less I am interested to know your experience.

2) Do you bleed at the injection sites? I bled in about 80% of my injection sites.

[nofintowin]

LMS:

1) Not really sure about this one. The doctor administers the AAPE to me while I'm lying down, and then puts a cap on me. I don't touch my hair until the next morning. There definitely are a few bumps and what feels like pockets of liquid the next day, but nothing out of the ordinary that I wouldn't expect. Immediately post the AAPE, I have no idea about the bumps but it wouldn't be shocking

2) Again, I don't administer them, so I can't give you a %, but I can tell you that there's definitely a good amount of blood on my scalp post-injections. This is normal. Same stuff happened with PRP.

Hope this helps. You'll probably be sore for an entire day or two. Do you use the entire powder / solution combo?

[nameless]

nofintowin, I have 3 issues:

1. How often are you getting AAPE injections? Keep in mind that in nature the follicles are being supplied with these growth factors frequently. The adipose derived stem cells excrete growth factors and send them to the follicles frequently. So in the beginning you would likely need injections at least once per week.

2. How much does your doctor charge for each visit when you get your AAPE injections?

3. Can I also become his patient and get AAPE injections?

[LMS]

LMS:

1) Not really sure about this one. The doctor administers the AAPE to me while I'm lying down, and then puts a cap on me. I don't touch my hair until the next morning. There definitely are a few bumps and what feels like pockets of liquid the next day, but nothing out of the ordinary that I wouldn't expect. Immediately post the AAPE, I have no idea about the bumps but it wouldn't be shocking

2) Again, I don't administer them, so I can't give you a %, but I can tell you that there's definitely a good amount of blood on my scalp post-injections. This is normal. Same stuff happened with PRP.

Hope this helps. You'll probably be sore for an entire day or two. Do you use the entire powder / solution combo?

Thanks for getting back to me man. And yah these bumps disappeared within a few hours max. Its normal for them to form with intradermal injections, but none the less I'm glad you seem to share the experience, along with the bleeding (as messed up as that sounds haha).

I found I had a decently bad headache after injecting (to be expected) but nothing an advil cant fix, woke up feeling pretty much fine, still no regrowth though haha.

To answer your question, I used an entire vial and dissolved it in 5ML of bacteriostatic water. I'm assuming your doc uses something similar (saline, sterile water etc) for injections? Or does he use the liquid provided? To me it looked more like for topical use (dermarolling etc).

[LMS]

nofintowin, I have 3 issues:

1. How often are you getting AAPE injections? Keep in mind that in nature the follicles are being supplied with these growth factors frequently. The adipose derived stem cells excrete growth factors and send them to the follicles frequently. So in the beginning you would likely need injections at least once per week.

2. How much does your doctor charge for each visit when you get your AAPE injections?

3. Can I also become his patient and get AAPE injections?

Dude regarding statment 1. Basing this off the small amount of clinical studies - every 3-4 weeks is enough for results. Which is why I intend on injecting every 3 weeks or so. With that said, budget permitting, once weekly injections would be very interesting, results wise.

[nofintowin]

1) Once every three to four weeks, copying what they did in the studies. There aren't any stem cells in AAPE from my understanding. Just these very concentrated growth factors that were collected from these stem cells, among other things. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I have no plans of doing this once per week, way too much trauma to the head in terms of injections / blood, etc.

2) I have a special price with him since I brought AAPE to him. But he's offered it to a few patients and he's charging around $200 per treatment (he'll pay for the 6 vials)

3) Are you near manhattan? If not, it's really not worth flying out for this..

[nameless]

1) Once every three to four weeks, copying what they did in the studies. There aren't any stem cells in AAPE from my understanding. Just these very concentrated growth factors that were collected from these stem cells, among other things. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I have no plans of doing this once per week, way too much trauma to the head in terms of injections / blood, etc.

2) I have a special price with him since I brought AAPE to him. But he's offered it to a few patients and he's charging around $200 per treatment (he'll pay for the 6 vials)

3) Are you near manhattan? If not, it's really not worth flying out for this..

1. I know what AAPE is. And you're right, there are no stem cells in AAPE. There is just the growth factors from those stem cells. I know.

2. What kind of trauma to the head in terms of blood? Do you bleed a lot? Is it painful?

3. Keep in mind that what you are trying to do is replicate what the body used to do when you had a full head of hair. When you had a full head of hair the cells in your body used to secrete those same growth factors to your follicles frequently AND that is what gave you a full head of hair. Now you have less of those cells so less cells = less growth factors. When you get the AAPE injections you are trying to make up for the lost growth factors. If you just do the injections every month or thereabouts then you will stimulate the hairs that don't need much help to regrow - the low-hanging fruit. But the hairs that are miniaturized long term would probably need more growth factors to start growing again.

I am planning to get AAPE treatments to but I plan to do it more often. Can you please tell me how I can get in touch with your doctor?

[nameless]

Dude regarding statment 1. Basing this off the small amount of clinical studies - every 3-4 weeks is enough for results. Which is why I intend on injecting every 3 weeks or so. With that said, budget permitting, once weekly injections would be very interesting, results wise.

LMS, I am definitely planning weekly injections or even twice weekly. I can afford it. Not to worry - when I start it I will definitely keep everyone informed. If I could get the injections done here where I live I would start it NOW!!!! The holdup is that I don't know of anyone in this area doing these injections on people close-by. I can't take off once or twice a week to take trips across the country. I live on the west coast. I have to wait until I am in a better position in terms of my vacation leave. I have 2 hours of annual leave saved and that is all. I figure I can start this in 4 - 6 months when I can fly to a doctor. I don't want to do the injections myself once a week or twice a week.

The thing is that like I've said in the body the stem cells excrete these growth factors to the follicles a lot more often than once a week so I KNOW that if we want the best results we have to have these injections more often than once per month.

Swooping even made a post at another hair website where he talked about how we have a very limited amount of thinning hairs that are only partially miniaturized and those can be resurrected with minimal treatment and it's easy to do, but if you want a crack at greater results you would take a more potent effort.

I believe that you guys doing the once a month treatment will see thickening of your existing hairs plus some limited regrowth so if you are only missing a little hair you guys might end up satisfied. But for the guys who want a more substantial amount of regrowth we will have to do more injections.

If anyone knows a doctor in Washington or Oregon who is doing AAPE injections please let me know because I live in this area and if I could find a doctor who would do this then I would start right away.

[robodoc]

Premature?? I don't think so. I think a first experience that does not go to plan can make anyone wonder. Maybe your response was premature?