follicept - what's this?

[nameless]

If you read the thread you know i'm maybe the one who searched the most, potential supplier, pharmacy, reading and trying to help was my first and last activity of the day in this weeks, well I don't want any appreciation or recognition or discounted stocks (wtf how can you really ask that), i just want Devon do his best, do a fast trial now, good macro pics to see any vellus activity and if it works to looking for a pharmacy or a lab in europe ( and i will try to help again) so we don't have our product for months at customs, this what I want, this the best recognition for the help, maybe if everything works fine he can give us some sort of coupon with a 10-15% discount in the future, but this is the last thing, who cares really, we need to focus on the trial and hope it works

So you youself see a reason for a discount then. So then to some degree you do see my point. And you are right. I think that there is no law that says Follicept has to remember us if this treatment works but it is the classy thing to do. You're right. And I'm right too.

[youngin]

I think it's not so much that the vehicle directs the drug to the follicle as it is the vehicle can get large molecules like igf-1 through the dermis.

Previously, you injected igf-1 and hoped it circulated around in the blood stream and eventually got to dermal papilla.

Yah. I know how it works. People keep saying "this vehicle is a game changer!" which is just not true. It allows us to try a few new molecules (which I already stated). It not going to make any difference for minoxidil, fin, etc. DMSO can transport most of this stuff into your blood - right past your dermal layers already.

[tom12345]

I don't see the point arguing among each other about the vehicle. After 15 years of thin hair, all I've learned is whatever drugs are out there for hairloss seems to be accidental, i.e. made to treat blood-pressure or swollen prostate or whatever, happened to grow some hair in some people, and to me, all that is nothing but companies wanting to recover some money. Let's be honest: companies make money by treating ailments, not by curing them. I think 100% of the crack-addicts in the world would like to be cured, but a pusher won't sponsor that because it'd put them out of business. I think in both in the 60's and 80's, arthritis drugs showed hair-growth. Nobody followed up on that. Like everyone else, I'm utterly sick and frustrated, but I also see people out there volunteering to get on heavy (and expensive) drugs like Xeljanz, to see whether it helps their hairgrowth. I feel that's the right way to channel the frustration. So, Follicept, I'd be more than happy to try out your poison. I keep what's left of my hair trimmed very short, so any results on me would be evident very quickly for measurement. I've also tried Minoxidil and Finasteride without any results.

[serenemoon]

Why should I be grateful Follicept is trying to bring the treatment to market? They aren't doing it for us you fool. They're doing it to make money. If they were just going to break even they would not bring the treatment to market simply because we want it (if it works).

The fact that they are working hard and BRINGING it to the market so that you don't have to look at your balding head anymore is reason enough to be grateful. Even if they are making money off of it. Your happiness and confidence is something that no one can put a price on so yes, stop whining and be grateful.

[serenemoon]

But I do actually have a point. You are working for free. And you are actually being asked to work for free. I should have to lie about that. You shouldn't even ask me to lie about it. You're asking me to sweep it under the carpet that you are working for free. It's almost like you're a beggar with no dignity or something.

I recently watched a movie called "The Midnight Express" and near the end the main character named Billy Hayes is psychologically beaten and he's about to be sexually molested by a prison guard, and Billy is on his knees and he reaches his hand up with money in his hand, offering the money to the man who is abusing him. Billy is screaming "Si Vous Plait! Si Vous Plait! (Please! Please!). This is what you guys are like. You guys are beaten and undignified. You guys are like - "Please! Please! Take my labor take my money! Please! Please! Just give me my hair! I will do anything! Please! Please!"

LMAOOO! What kind of work are we doing???? Posting comments? Talking about it? Sure, them getting more publicity maybe a result of it that inevitably happens, but this is NOT work. LOL. We are talking about it because it betters US, not THEM. There will be an exchange of money and follicept between us and them. That is fair exchange enough. We haven't done anything worth getting discounted stocks. LOL!

I am done talking about this.

[nameless]

The fact that they are working hard and BRINGING it to the market so that you don't have to look at your balding head anymore is reason enough to be grateful. Even if they are making money off of it. Your happiness and confidence is something that no one can put a price on so yes, stop whining and be grateful.

I work for a hospital. I like it that I help others for a living so I'm happy about the job I have. But I still think it's right that they should pay me for my work. Do you appreciate the gravity of my point that they were thinking about abandoning the IGF-1 hair loss treatment project until they saw our enthusiasm and support. They could make hundreds of millions of dollars if the treatment works, and we kept them from abandoning the project. I'm just sayin'

[Keki]

So you youself see a reason for a discount then. So then to some degree you do see my point. And you are right. I think that there is no law that says Follicept has to remember us if this treatment works but it is the classy thing to do. You're right. And I'm right too.

I don't want a recognition for the contribution we gave them, but usually the first members of a community like a new phisical or online shop or even beta tester in software/videogames have some sort of early discount, something devon maybe alredy thought, it's ok to think something like a coupon, everybody can use them with no money-age distinction, but the "give us a gooood stocks price so i can snowball easy money if it works" is just totally wrong

ANYWAY this argument is pathetic, i repeat we should focus on the trial now, and think about a way to help devon to give us the best photos and a way to see if it works or not, for example what if follicpet works but is a very long term thing like fina? How can we know that?

[nameless]

I don't want a recognition for the contribution we gave them, but usually the first members of a community like a new phisical or online shop or even beta tester in software/videogames have some sort of early discount, something devon maybe alredy thought, it's ok to think something like a coupon, everybody can use them with no money-age distinction, but the "give us a gooood stocks price so i can snowball easy money if it works" is just totally wrong

ANYWAY this argument is pathetic, i repeat we should focus on the trial now, and think about a way to help devon to give us the best photos and a way to see if it works or not, for example what if follicpet works but is a very long term thing like fina? How can we know that?

keki so then you see my point. Thank you. I'm not being rude or mean. I'm just kind of pulling Devon aside and saying to Devon, "Hey Devon, if this works and you become a multi-millionaire how about doing something for us at The Bald Truth since our support, enthusiasm, and help did make a difference for you back in the early days." What is wrong with me basically saying that?

[nameless]

LMAOOO! What kind of work are we doing???? Posting comments? Talking about it? Sure, them getting more publicity maybe a result of it that inevitably happens, but this is NOT work. LOL. We are talking about it because it betters US, not THEM. There will be an exchange of money and follicept between us and them. That is fair exchange enough. We haven't done anything worth getting discounted stocks. LOL!

I am done talking about this.

Don't forget that Follicept was thinking about abandoning the entire project until they saw our support and enthusiasm. We are one of the reasons the project is moving forward at all.

[nameless]

LMAOOO! What kind of work are we doing???? Posting comments? Talking about it? Sure, them getting more publicity maybe a result of it that inevitably happens, but this is NOT work. LOL. We are talking about it because it betters US, not THEM. There will be an exchange of money and follicept between us and them. That is fair exchange enough. We haven't done anything worth getting discounted stocks. LOL!

I am done talking about this.

Maybe you got a point, but there will be a lot of money made if this treatment works, and I'm not lying one bit or exagerating when I say that we did give Follicept support that prompted them to move the project forward. It does seem like we are foolish if things we did help other people make hundreds of millions of dollars and nothing falls our way. I don't know how many times I have to say it but when they saw our support and enthusiasm that was one of the deciding factors why this project went forward. If we had not given that support and enthusiasm the project might have been abandoned. We've defended Follicept from attacks, given advice, and looked into securing chemicals for the experiments.

[NeedHairASAP]

keki so then you see my point. Thank you. I'm not being rude or mean. I'm just kind of pulling Devon aside and saying to Devon, "Hey Devon, if this works and you become a multi-millionaire how about doing something for us at The Bald Truth since our support, enthusiasm, and help did make a difference for you back in the early days." What is wrong with me basically saying that?

there are so many things wrong with you saying that, that most of us don't have the time to explain them all.

GO GET A JOB. Stop trying to use an internet forum to somehow get in on a company's profits. Stop doing it because:

1. it will never happen lol

2. it will never happen

[nameless]

LMAOOO! What kind of work are we doing???? Posting comments? Talking about it? Sure, them getting more publicity maybe a result of it that inevitably happens, but this is NOT work. LOL. We are talking about it because it betters US, not THEM. There will be an exchange of money and follicept between us and them. That is fair exchange enough. We haven't done anything worth getting discounted stocks. LOL!

I am done talking about this.

When the New York Times went online I was in my teens and there were a few of us who were posting in the beginning. The site grew because our discussions were interesting. We caused that site to get kind of big for awhile and the New York Times gave those of us who were there first supporting them sold old pictures they had archived. It was really cool. They were not junk pictures. Some were sold for a few thousand dollars each. I still have mine.

[Keki]

keki so then you see my point. Thank you. I'm not being rude or mean. I'm just kind of pulling Devon aside and saying to Devon, "Hey Devon, if this works and you become a multi-millionaire how about doing something for us at The Bald Truth since our support, enthusiasm, and help did make a difference for you back in the early days." What is wrong with me basically saying that?

the wrong thing is the low risk (most likely you want to "hard" invest after some news are posted), the inexistent contribution (we just speed up 1-2 weeks of research to devon), and the request of an opportunity to snowball some money to people who are relative rich enough to spend some thousands dollars as they wish, if you followed Devon said the early subscribers are on a list for the early batch, i don't know what you think but that's a terrific good recognition, if you only care about the hairs that's the best discount you can have, WEEKS OF FOLLICLE SAVED

[joachim]

like i said, eeeeeeeeeendless explanations, the same crap over and over again, multiple times.
i'm feeling ashamed that Devon has to read all that nonsense through all that pages.
asking for a discount is just so ridiculous and absolutely not important at this timepoint. their transparency and regular communication on status updates with us baldies, is more worth than any discount ever. even more as Devon already stated that if it really works it will be pricely competetive with minox or similar at least. so who cares about a discount if this thing could be a fu**ing cure, after so many decades!

[champpy]

Nobody here was forced to do any work for Follicept. If you wanted to help, then you helped. Its like asking to get paid for stopping to help someone change a tire. Only a low life would do that. nameless, you were not held at gunpoint and made to find IGF. Did they promise you any money in return??? You are not employed by them. If you don't want to do "work" for them then don't. Simple as that. This community is supposed to be about helping each other out.