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lol.Originally posted by FrenchNewbieComment
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First of all, I NEVER directly called HIM a scammer. I did say that I highly believe all this is a scam though. You might say that's exactly the same, I do see a difference in tone. I gave very specific and detailed info why I think this:Originally posted by FrenchNewbie
1) Supposedly they have a new delivery method, which would be a true revolution in the history of medicine. Their technology thus should be worth hundreds of millions, more likely even billions. They should be talking to the biggest pharamacies out there, closing contracts and whatsmore. Yet they couldnt find any substantial investors at all and are now talking to us baldies here, on a hairloss forum
2) Several scientific articles show that elevated IGF-1 levels might lead to hair LOSS, not hair increase. Yeah there are also some articles that it might lead to some thicker hair, but I have seen none that talk about any substancial increase in follicle count
3) People have been injecting IGF-1 for al LOOONG time. Injections are just as effective. Even Devon agreed to that, he called their method more efficient, not more effective. Injecting delivers it just as good to the follicle. We've seen no results. Sure there are some occasional reports on some fora of people who claim to have had results, but there are as many reports of people who claim to have grown hair by putting their sperm on their scalps.
4) Tons of new accounts, coming out of nowhere, all hyping this product, fighting for it like their lives depent on it and attacking anyone who even dares to bring up some skepticism. I've been on this forum for a while but this I have never seen before. It's HIGHLY suspicious the least.
And even then. ANYbody who comes to this forum, claiming they have a cure or new product, should at least understand the financial loss, disappointments, sickness and what's more previous scammers have brought to this forum. They should be able to understand our skepticism and see where it comes from. And they should be even MORE interested in proving the skeptical people wrong. Devon already stated, he doesnt even care about convincing the sceptics.
It just all doesnt add up. Like swooping stated: I smell fish.Comment
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aaaand here we go again, last 30 pages without one meaningful post.
(except Devon's)
Thank you guys.Comment
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I can understand this nuance. But the multiplication of this word, kill it.
1) Devon said that they are speaking with big pharma. I work with a ruche of labs in France (not in Pharma). I know a little bit this domain. In France, we have the biggest pharma sector in Europe (perhaps the second in the world). Finding investors for small laboratories is so complex. There is a big competition. Hair is not a priority for investors. It's a very small part of the pharma market. Same thing with diabete.
2) They have pretty good arguments which says the opposite. We will see.
3) Injection is not as effective. Cause if you have the best vector (like this gel) you can cover entire scalp on all pores or bulbs. To have the same result you have to do day by day very small injections with syringue on millions of points.
4) The moderation could verify that. But if you go on french/german/italian/spanish forum, you will see big topics. The hypocenter is this topic. So it's normal. I came here after reading the french topic.
I'm ok with your conclusion, but you go too fast on the word "scammer". You can be skeptic, but please give them the benefit of doubt.Comment
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I work in finance myself for over 15 years. The investment climate has never been THIS good as it's now. People having money in bank accounts lose more than ever, with even negative interest, last week even the german bonds went down to NEGATIVE interest !! Meaning you now have to PAY money to lend it to germany. So nobody wants money in the bank, everybody WANTS to invest and is looking for the craziest, thiniest opportunity to pump money into some new idea. Yet, even in this climate, the only money they could raise was some pocket change. The market NEVER is wrong. If the idea is good, the money follows. Really, this alone is for me reason enough to assume it's all crap.
Like ? Link me just 1 single scientific publication that shows improvement in follicle count similar to what minox can do.2) They have pretty good arguments which says the opposite. We will see.
People HAVE been injecting on a daily basis. Sure it's MUCH more complicated and way less *EFFICIENT* but the results should be there. They're not.3) Injection is not as effective. Cause if you have the best vector (like this gel) you can cover entire scalp on all pores. To have the same result you have to do day by day small injection with syringue on millions of points.Comment
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You are speaking about finance. We will not speak about buying obligations or action or gold? Pharma sector is very very specific. You could have a lot of money in a part of this sector (like cancerology) and no money on a other part. So the competition is really hard for a lot of small labs which has a good product. But i'm not a specialist of pharma. I can say that in my domain, money is relative cause their are sectors of market which are "fashionable" and other not.Comment
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Trust me, everybody is looking for that chicken with golden eggs. If you have it and show it, people WILL want to buy it. Especially in this climate of negative interests. I find it really really weird that instead of trying to sell their method for billions of dollars, they come to this forum to ... yeah to what actually ? Devon claims he's not interested in convincing us ... So I don't even really get what he's doing here at all ...Comment
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Read again.
"My job is not to convince Arashi, or any of you for that matter. My job is to test efficacy and then help get an effective, safe product to market. The proof is in the pudding, not in Arashi's opinion." - Devon.
He is here to answer questions due to the request of a BTT user.Comment
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Look, ask yourself, what would you do ? You have developed this new revolutionary system, that can bring large molecules through the dermis without them going systematic (or in such a small amount that it doesnt matter). This is gold. What do you do ? I wouldn't even have the TIME to visit a forum ! I would be calling every single pharma and hedge fund out there, talking to all of them, seeing which one wants to pay the most. But here's Devon, failed to attract any substantial investor, joining a forum for baldies to ... yeah that's still a mystery to me, what exactly.Comment
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But that's exactly my point. If the product is good, no need to come to this forum at all !! The whole world will know about it. If it really works, you can travel to the smallest town anywhere in the world, ask the local dermatologist and he'll know about it (like they know about fin and minox).Comment
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Honestly Arashi, I don't know how many ways to tell you this. They are already doing this. They are already doing this. They are already doing this. The dude is in the lab into the late hours. He is extremely busy. If he wants to do something, he will find the time.
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