follicept - what's this?

[Keki]

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/c...n/index_en.htm

this is the regulation, prometheon must notify the cosmetic and then they can began to ship, but they need some base to europe in order to sell and avoid customs, honestly if it works will not be a problem we will have hundreads of people here ready to help

[FrenchNewbie]

With Shipito.com we can have a US adress and they send the item in France (with a small risk with customs). I think it work in all Europe. It will cost a lot more. But i can't wait for this treatment. It can really change my life.

@Kantian Thank you for you friend kindness.

[GerdHammels]

I can set up a company in Berlin / Germany and handle some the EU distribution from here on. I just finished my Bachelors Degree and now im planing onto starting an Import / Export business, so i might as well help you guys to change the lives of hundreds of thousands if this stuff really works!

My major was law of international and european business transactons but have no clue about the regulations for cosmetics / medicine . i can look into that tho...

If this stuff is legit and the results are convincing, i'll shoot you a mail over your website and we talk business if you feel like it...

[nameless]

Nameless, another contract for you!

LOL!

I'll tell you again Devon, I only threw that BS about you "owing us" out there a few days ago as bait. The same as Swooping threw posts in the thread about believing Follicept will work, I threw stuff out there to see if I could trip you up. I know how hard that is to believe but it's actually true. I figured that if you were scamming you would at perhaps in a way that a scammers act and I would perceive that and make an issue of it. Or the bait would open up possibilities I could explore further to sniff out any evidence of scamming.

I'm sorry, but it's true. The same as you tell us that you have gone through a lot of trouble regarding your potential hair loss treatment, we have seen a lot of scams and frauds and some look for evidence of scamming.

You have to understand that many many scammers have told bald people nice things out of one side of their mouths while they were tried to cheat us out of the other side of their mouth. I do NOT trust anyone in the baldness-cure business.

I even warned you at one point that I was "keeping score" on Follicept and that should tell you that I was looking for any proof I could find to flush out any scam intentions on the part of Follicept. In a way I'm like Arishi in that I will do whatever I have to do to expose what I think are bald cheats; except I'm smarter, more polite, more reasonable, more fair, and more thoughtful than Arishi.

Finally, I see not one shred of evidence that you're a scammer. I firmly believe that if your treatment doesn't work it won't have anything to do with any scamming. It will simply be that the treatment isn't able to reverse hair loss. Nothing more.

[Arashi]

I actually took the time to read through the whole topic, it's quite entertaining indeed Just a quick summary:

* Although this company supposedly can not only cure hairloss, but has a superior vehicle that could be applied to tons of meds and thus must be literally worth billions, they couldnt convince any investors to put money into it, even in a climate of negative interest and all time highs in the stock market (the best possible environment to attract investors)
* Dr Hsu, the driving force behind this, put this product out there for sale: http://www.amazon.com/Camellix-ReviT.../dp/B00ESZBNJA Haven't tested it but looks like a typical scam product to me
* Several people insist dr Hsu graduated at Harvard but his LinkedIn only says he was a physician at a hospital associated with Harvard: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-hsu/37/9b5/776
* They don't want the FDA to oversee their trial.
* Tons of new accounts, that appeared since only a few months, keep pumping the product and keep throwing personal attacks at anyone who even dares to challenge it.

It all really looks like a huge scam to me. But I know, we've been down that road, people like me call it a scam, other people will throw in insults at those people and we'll be along 100 pages more of fighting in this thread without any progress. So I thought, how can we make this thread useful and actually get somewhere. And then I read this comment from Swooping: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...l=1#post201869

I think this really is a wonderful way. Look, if Follicept is honest and really believes in their product and REALLY only wants to sell it when it works, then they must be interested in convincing as much people as possible. Of course they can run their own trials, that no one oversees, but how can we know they didnt cheat ? We simply can't, no one oversees their trial, they could post anything they like.

So, the BEST and ONLY way (besides FDA overseen trials) to convince even the biggest doubters (like me and Swooping) is Swooping's idea. We select 10 TBT users, who have been visiting this forum for years, who are neutral and who we can trust. No, not me, not Swooping nor those 'new' accounts here, just other long term users we all agree we can trust. Devon sends out his product to them and they agree to put it onto their scalp for one month and document their progress.

This really is a common goal: if follicept really wants to prove that the doubters are wrong, then this simply is THE best way to do that ! If follicept comes up with some BS reason why they won't do it, we all know it's because they can't control the situation and thus can't cheat and ergo, we can all agree it's a scam.

What do you say Devon ?

[noisette]

This is not the same Dr Hsu for the shampoo !! you will find this !

[serenemoon]

* Dr Hsu, the driving force behind this, put this product out there for sale: http://www.amazon.com/Camellix-ReviT.../dp/B00ESZBNJA Haven't tested it but looks like a typical scam product to me

Yup, this has been covered wayyy before. NOT THE SAME DR. HSU

[Arashi]

This is not the same Dr Hsu for the shampoo !! you will find this !

In that case I would stand corrected on that point. Someone posted this and it's indeed the same name, but I haven't verified. How do you know it's not him ?

[noisette]

Arashi this is him : www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk48j7s8gwQ
It's NOT the same DOCTOR.

[Arashi]

Arashi this is him : www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk48j7s8gwQ
It's NOT the same DOCTOR.

Agreed there, this guy doesnt look like him. I stand corrected there !

Anyway awaiting an answer from Devon about the idea to do a small trial among forum users !

[noisette]

Look at the vid, you can see the product at 2 minute. And DR HSU Stephen. But this is not the same guy lol

[serenemoon]

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* They don't want the FDA to oversee their trial.

How did you get the idea that they don't WANT the FDA to oversee the trial? They are doing a trial even though the FDA does not require them to perform a trial. Should they force the FDA, drag them by the balls and say "yo, oversee our trials even though you guys told us that we can go straight to market without trials?"

[noisette]

Arashi : http://openventio.org/DiabetesResear...nIHongHsu.html

[Arashi]

How did you get the idea that they don't WANT the FDA to oversee the trial? They are doing a trial even though the FDA does not require them to perform a trial. Should they force the FDA, drag them by the balls and say "yo, oversee our trials even though you guys told us that we can go straight to market without trials?"

They sell a cosmetic product, they can claim basically anything and then post with small letters "These statements weren't verified by the FDA". It's what happens with those hundreds of scam cosmetic products out there which supposedly grow hair, clear wrinkles, make you look 10 years younger etc.

So, if the FDA doesnt supervise, how they we know they won't cheat ? The only way would be such a small trial. I can't think of a valid reason why they wouldnt do that. It's in EVERYBODY's interest here: in our interest, to find out the truth and in their interest, to convince the world. It's a win-win (if follicept aren't scammers)

[serenemoon]

They sell a cosmetic product, they can claim basically anything and then post with small letters "These statements weren't verified by the FDA". It's what happens with those hundreds of scam cosmetic products out there which supposedly grow hair, clear wrinkles, make you look 10 years younger etc.

So, if the FDA doesnt supervise, how they we know they won't cheat ? The only way would be such a small trial. I can't think of a valid reason why they wouldnt do that. It's in EVERYBODY's interest here: in our interest, to find out the truth and in their interest, to convince the world. It's a win-win (if follicept aren't scammers)

I hear you on the fact that those cosmetic claims can't be verified. Trust me, I get it. But do you see how it may be a bit unfair to say that they don't "want" the FDA to oversee their trials? It is almost like saying that they are specifically pushing the FDA away from checking Follicept trials. It is more like, the FDA just doesn't care to.