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  • ShookOnes
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2014
    • 209

    Originally posted by burtandernie
    Well random speculation does have one thing in its favor - odds. Odds are most MPB treatments simply fail to produce any significant results so why think otherwise without any proof?
    Yes, exactly. Nobody here is hoping it fails because the concensus is that this company is not snake oil. And even if it fails it will not be snake oil because the company will not sell as follicept has stated. The company will just fail as a start up to join the many companies that have failed before them.

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    • stayhopeful
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 280

      Words cannot even come close to convey how badly I need this treatment. Asap. Such an important week. I only hope it works as its described on the website. The most ginormous burden would be lifted off of me mentally

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      • Justinian
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2014
        • 148

        I don't remember this being posted so...

        I was reading the wikipedia page about the androgen receptor and saw the line "One of the known target genes of androgen receptor activation is the insulin-like growth factor I receptor (IGF-1R)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androge...mid15753383-18

        The referenced paper is "Androgens Up-regulate the Insulin-like Growth Factor-I Receptor in Prostate Cancer Cells". http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/co...65/5/1849.long

        It seems to imply that androgen receptor activation -> more IGF-1R -> increased sensitivity to IGF in prostate cancer cells. This may not make it seem like IGF-1 is good for hair, but I think the important takeaway is that androgen receptor activation is tied to IGF, as there are several studies saying IGF-1 can promote hair growth.

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        • Clion1995
          Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 37

          I love hearing people try to shoot something down when they're probably uneducated on the matter. You're probably just some troll who likes to make people feel like their product is going to fail if you're doing so. You probably are one of those people who skim to the end of scientific articles and read the conclusion and have a hypothesis (based on slim to no education) on whether or not it will work. Unless you're credited, don't bring negative bullshit to a product that you have zero knowledge on. I'm assuming Dr. Hsu knows more than the majority of you trolls, as he has a graduate degree from HARVARD. HARVARD. Haha love to see people act like they know what they're talking about.

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          • doinmyheadin
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 123

            I dont want to put a negative on this, as like all of us here we are desperate for something new thats works better then the current two treatments. But some of you new guys who have only just joined, dont get your hopes up on any new treatment until proven otherwise (on humans). As I have said before google some of the other hair loss forums and some of the experimental treatments that people were trying 10 to 15 years ago. These treatments were going to be the next big miracle.... I wonder what happened to some of these old members whether they just got on with there lives or they are still around hoping...

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            • ShookOnes
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2014
              • 209

              would this replace the need for fin?

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              • nameless
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 965

                Originally posted by Clion1995
                I love hearing people try to shoot something down when they're probably uneducated on the matter. You're probably just some troll who likes to make people feel like their product is going to fail if you're doing so. You probably are one of those people who skim to the end of scientific articles and read the conclusion and have a hypothesis (based on slim to no education) on whether or not it will work. Unless you're credited, don't bring negative bullshit to a product that you have zero knowledge on. I'm assuming Dr. Hsu knows more than the majority of you trolls, as he has a graduate degree from HARVARD. HARVARD. Haha love to see people act like they know what they're talking about.
                So then are you saying that you are 100% certain that the treatment will work?

                BTW, Devon even says he isn't sure if the treatment will work or not.

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                • NOhairNOlife
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 118

                  Guys, please, let's stop bickering and posting useless arguments that don't add any value to this convo. Let's keep this thread on topic and for any updates.

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                  • Clion1995
                    Member
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 37

                    No actually I never said I 100% think it will work. I'm just saying you're not credited enough (unless you post a picture of your graduates degree) to say it's not going to work. I'm going to assume you're part of the proletariat.

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                    • nameless
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 965

                      Originally posted by Clion1995
                      No actually I never said I 100% think it will work. I'm just saying you're not credited enough (unless you post a picture of your graduates degree) to say it's not going to work. I'm going to assume you're part of the proletariat.
                      Assume whatever you want. But keep in mind that some assumptions only serve to make you seem unintelligent.

                      It doesn't take graduate degrees to assume that there is a high likelihood that any baldness remedy won't work. You see, they have tried thousands of treatments and thus far they have all failed to produce satisfactory results in the overwhelming majority of patients. Even things that seems like space-age certain cures, such as Replicel and Aderans failed. Given that track record of thousands and thousands of treatment ideas failing and ZERO treatment ideas succeeding, it's reasonable for anyone to conclude that Follicept will likely fair. It would even be reasonable for a kindergartner to make the statement that based on past history it's more likely Follicept will fail than succeed. One doesn't need any college degree to fairly and correctly make that statement.

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                      • nameless
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 965

                        Originally posted by Clion1995
                        No actually I never said I 100% think it will work. I'm just saying you're not credited enough (unless you post a picture of your graduates degree) to say it's not going to work. I'm going to assume you're part of the proletariat.
                        I never said it's not going to work. I don't know if it's going to work or not. I think it probably won't though. I base that on the odds/probabilities; not on the science. Man has tried thousands and thousands of treatments to regrow a satisfactory amount of hair for the majority of hair loss sufferers and none of those treatments have worked. And I am "credited" enough to make that prediction because anyone can make a prediction based on past success/failure ratios, and if you don't understand that I'm going to assume that you're part of the proletariat. And by the way, the Harvard scientist involved with the project knows that there's a chance that the treatment might not work.

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                        • Clion1995
                          Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 37

                          plebeian

                          Again, you're proving nothing here. I don't care if you think it is going to work or not. Just because other treatments have failed does not have anything to do with this treatment. And yes, he said he doesn't know if it will work or not but that goes for any treatment ever created. Go get a graduate degree and if you really care about disproving this then maybe you can run some of your own trials! You're irrelevant, go back to being in the proletariat.

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                          • Hairismylife
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 383

                            Originally posted by nameless
                            Assume whatever you want. But keep in mind that some assumptions only serve to make you seem unintelligent.

                            It doesn't take graduate degrees to assume that there is a high likelihood that any baldness remedy won't work. You see, they have tried thousands of treatments and thus far they have all failed to produce satisfactory results in the overwhelming majority of patients. Even things that seems like space-age certain cures, such as Replicel and Aderans failed. Given that track record of thousands and thousands of treatment ideas failing and ZERO treatment ideas succeeding, it's reasonable for anyone to conclude that Follicept will likely fair. It would even be reasonable for a kindergartner to make the statement that based on past history it's more likely Follicept will fail than succeed. One doesn't need any college degree to fairly and correctly make that statement.
                            How many times do you want I say that Replicel HASN'T died.
                            It's absolutely nonsense of you to make this statement.
                            Go to Replicel thread to understand more.

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                            • nameless
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 965

                              Originally posted by Hairismylife
                              How many times do you want I say that Replicel HASN'T died.
                              It's absolutely nonsense of you to make this statement.
                              Go to Replicel thread to understand more.

                              Replicel's results were less than stellar. Everyone knows it.

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                              • Hairismylife
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 383

                                Originally posted by nameless
                                Replicel's results were less than stellar. Everyone knows it.
                                Everyone knows you love to have nothing works.
                                The fact is Replicel is preparing phase2b trial but you say it fails.

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