follicept - what's this?

[nameless]

We have seen several scammers, some caused people to lose hair (Tom with Nigam) or even almost literally killed people (Wesley with Nigam). So, scammers should be stopped as soon as possible. People also said it in Nigam's case: "Arashi you cant call Nigam a scammer yet, until we have 100% proof". Well I'll tell you what, 100% proof doesnt exist, there are still people who claim Nigam wasn't a scammer (read JarJarbinx'es (="nameless") reply here). But I do know I saved people, not only their money, not only their hair but maybe even literally their lives (google this board for Wesley and Nigam).

You want to shut me up ? Then show me proof that it works !! Not some proof that nobody can verify, but independent proof !

Nigam was not a scammer. You did the same thing to Nigam that you're doing to Follicept. And your unfair attacks against Nigam worked because he could not regrow lots of hair. If Nigam had been able to regrow lots of hair then back then you would have been discovered for the fool that you are. And if Follicept's treatment does not work then most of these guys will be joining you in called Follicept a scammer. And the only reason Nigam could not regrow lots of hair for people is because some of the pieces of the puzzle are missing. Nigam was trying experimental treatments based on the scientific info that is already out in public but that information isn't complete so he never had a chance.

[nameless]

Arashi has a pretty solid track record. I'd rather hear his input than comments about people almost crying because the "cure" is here while there is no real evidence yet.

It's luck that Arishi has a pretty solid track record. He insults all purveyors of new hair loss products and the odds are on his side because it's very hard to cure hair loss so even honest efforts to do so typically fail. The odds are on his side. He jumps the gun and starts false allegations before the evidence is in, and he makes false allegations against people who do not deserve to be denigrated.

[nameless]

`You leaving` would be the best reason.

How about because it's a bad idea to send experimental chemicals across the country, and even to other countries, so that people who have not been medically assessed and cleared can experiment with that experimental chemical even though the company has no ability to physically monitor that subject and properly assess data, including safety data? Is that good enough for you?

Now you promised to leave if someone came up with a good reason so don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.

[nameless]

This thread has become completely boycotted by Arashi. Look dude, we all get what you're saying, thank you for your input, now stop drawing out meaningless conversation loops. OR if you must continue, open your own thread called "follicept BTT trial debate" and leave this thread with integrity. The greater community would very much appreciate if you did.

It hasn't been boycotted by Arishi; it's been infected by Arishi. It's what he does whenever an experimental effort starts. The only reason he has been getting away with it is that the odds greatly favor any treatment failing so he ACCIDENTALLY keeps hitting bulls-eyes. But it isn't because he's so smart; it's because it's just that hard to cure hair loss. I assure you that if a cure came along tomorrow he would call it a scam too.

[nameless]

Ok, would love to hear about any issue's he has. You promised to first make 100% sure it works. So if there are any safety issue's, then just wait till you have everything ready to market your product (all safety issue's should be resolved by then otherwise you may simply not sell it anyway), we'll select 20 people we all find trustworthy and run that 4 week test/trial then ! What better way than this to promote your product !

Devon's crazy if he sends an experimental chemical across the country, and even into other countries, to people he has not cleared medically, for the purpose of an experiment through the mails. Even if nobody gets hurt if main stream big pharmacy ever found out he was doing stuff like this they would lose all respect for Follicept. Sending experimental chemicals across the country to people who have not been cleared medically or had baseline biologicals worked up is very amateurish.

[nameless]

+10000, minus the personal attack

I don't think it's a personal attack for him to state the obvious. Arishi is demanding that you send out an experimental chemical to people you have not clinically cleared in other parts of the country, and even in other countries, via the mails. It sounds very reckless and irresponsible. If something were to go wrong the fact that you sent this stuff out to other parts of the country for people you have not clinically cleared could make the news. It could ruin a company's image/reputation. I would not do it. But I'm smart.

[nameless]

So you're saying you're a scammer?

That's exactly what he's saying. Arishi doesn't get it. He attacks people for things that they do not deserve to be attacked for. And I can assure you Devon that half these guys who are defending you here, or more, will be joining Arishi and telling him that he was right if your treatment does not work. Half these guys don't care if you gave an honest effort or not. Half of them will be ditto-ing Arishi just because your treatment doesn't work so I sure hope it does work or else half these guys are going to slander you.

[nameless]

Also, let's say it doesn't work. At least Follicept then showed that they weren't afraid to do some independent testing ! So they weren't scammers. Their product failed, but at least they tried and thus should be highly respected ! And I'll be the first to make my well meant apologies for having called them scammers !

On the other hand, if they don't want a test they can't control, then it makes them even more suspicious.

1. They haven't ruled out testing by someone at this site.

2. If they don't do it, it will probably be because they don't appreciate you blackmailing them. You don't know how to communicate with others.

3. You need to stop using the word "scammer" because you apply it far to often. You don't understand how rude, crude, and unreasonable you are.

4. You wouldn't have to make apologies if you didn't use the word "scam", without any justification, in the first place.

[serenemoon]

American, I dont know but what's the difference with European ? We had Dr Coen Gho, he's member of several scientific societies and is/was associated with academic hospitals, just like Stephen Hsu. They even published this article in a peer reviewed magazine, just like Devon wants to do: http://www.hasci-exposed.com/Novembe..._treatment.pdf

I need American. Cos that kind of shit from official MDs, MD/PhDs does not fly here. Especially not scams. Standards are RIGOROUS here. You would be booted so fast that you wouldn't know what hit you. Eitherways, I am curious. What made Dr. Gho a scam anyway?

[Arashi]

Arashi,

This is a serious question. I am genuinely curious. Can you give me some example of American scientists with actual credentials, affiliated with legitimate companies/universities who have come on BTT and scammed you guys touting their products?

Thanks!

American, I dont know but what's the difference with European ? We had Dr Coen Gho talk with Spencer, he's member of several scientific societies and is/was associated with several academic hospitals and universities, just like Stephen Hsu. They even published this article in a peer reviewed scientific magazine where they presented a functional cure (!!) for hairloss, just like Devon wants to do: http://www.hasci-exposed.com/Novembe..._treatment.pdf

[just2hairs]

Yes.

To be absolutely clear: FOLLICEPT HASN'T GIVEN CLEAR SIGNS OF BEING A SCAM......

......The thing I found weird about Devon was that he crossed the line when he claimed he would be visiting swooping so he could "kiss his former bald spot". That doesn't seem professional and it's a common tactic to awake an emotional response from supporters when arguments fail.

Vraf was one of many that threatened to have people "kiss his former bald spot" or that he would "laugh while they continue to be bald losers".

In one breath you acknowledged Follicept hasn't shown any signs of being a scam, and in another you compare them to the likes of Yoram and Vraf.

If they haven't shown any signs of scam then leave it at that. Don't go accusing them yet...that's what i mean by wait and see. Look, i'm not gonna waste time and flood this thread with this nonsense, i'm stopping here.

Btw, go get some sense of humor will ya?!

[serenemoon]

Arashi,

This is a serious question. I am genuinely curious. Can you give me some example of American scientists with actual credentials, affiliated with legitimate companies/universities who have come on BTT and scammed you guys touting their products?

Thanks!

[stayhopeful]

If you really don't care about convincing us, then why are you even here ? And peer reviewed journals ... That seems to be the new trick nowadays: publish in a peer reviewed magazine and people will believe it. Fact is that those 'peer reviewed magazines' dont check if the statements are true and you know that. They just check if the testing methodology makes any sense and if the article is relevant to them. HASCI managed to publish their lies that way too: http://www.hasci-exposed.com/HSTMagic8.html

So again, if you dont care about convincing any of us (like you say), then why are you even here ? Not meaning to take a piss at you, but a serious question. I'm really, honestly very interested in that answer. Thanks.

Arashi, bro, I think you need to get some hobbies. Chill out with the posts bra, it'll be alright. Let's wait for some news next week

[Arashi]

Yes, we will do a small but statistically significant trial under conditions that will allow us to publish data in respected peer-reviewed journals.
My job is not to convince Arashi, or any of you for that matter. My job is to test efficacy and then help get an effective, safe product to market. The proof is in the pudding, not in Arashi's opinion.

If you really don't care about convincing us, then why are you even here ? And peer reviewed journals ... That seems to be the new trick nowadays: publish in a peer reviewed magazine and people will believe it. Fact is that those 'peer reviewed magazines' dont check if the statements are true and you know that. They just check if the testing methodology makes any sense and if the article is relevant to them. HASCI managed to publish their lies that way too: http://www.hasci-exposed.com/HSTMagic8.html

So again, if you dont care about convincing any of us (like you say), then why are you even here ? Not meaning to take a piss at you, but a serious question. I'm really, honestly very interested in that answer. Thanks.

[bigentries]

That argument was literally thrown in EVERY SINGLE TIME "wait till we are 100% sure". Look at "Nameless", he still claims, even in this thread, that Dr Nigam was not a scammer and just as much a victim as Wesley and Boldy. These scammers will never say "Ah you were right, we just wanted to take your money and run". Waiting for that to happen is useless. It will never happen.

Maybe calling Follicept scammers isn't really nice. But even worse are the people hyping this product already, like they KNOW it's going to work. That's MUCH more harmful here: Wesley got hospitalized and literally almost died because of people promoting scammer Dr Nigam.

If everybody just calms down and take a look at the results of our forum tests, then we can all be friends In the end, everybody's in the same boat here.

Yes.

To be absolutely clear: FOLLICEPT HASN'T GIVEN CLEAR SIGNS OF BEING A SCAM

They've entered some dodgy areas, but they shouldn't be ruled out completely

However, the thread has already entered "mark" mode. A lot of people have set the tone for people to be easily fooled when the time arrives.

This has happened in the past. Just in Yoram's example, after the weird hairdresser story, he presented himself, he had the credentials, and as always, people jumped the bandwagon.

What happened when we found out about acupuncture? The russian site? the leeches? Leorex? Fight started because the skeptics were "ruining it for everyone", all dissent was silenced. Those are questions we still don't have answers because his defenders decided he was 100% right and "time would tell"

The thing I found weird about Devon was that he crossed the line when he claimed he would be visiting swooping so he could "kiss his former bald spot". That doesn't seem professional and it's a common tactic to awake an emotional response from supporters when arguments fail.

Vraf was one of many that threatened to have people "kiss his former bald spot" or that he would "laugh while they continue to be bald losers".