follicept - what's this?

[FrenchNewbie]

If the product works on the 20 persons selected by Follicept and there are really no side effects (FDA control was made, insignificant dose and a safe vector), i think it will be judicious to start with all people who wants without limit (or output limit). Then, a lot of people will test it (if they want and taking their responsability about risks).

Why testing with people of forum? They could be pessimistic or enthousiastic and create a bias. Photos will not have the same quality. Some will take photos with smartphone, others will crop it oddly. My point of view is that it's not a good idea.

[serenemoon]

Why would you want that ? If it doesn't work for person A, doesn't it for person B ? Wouldn't it make much more sense to test it on 20 people instead of just one ? What's the statistical significance of just 1 test ? I'd say, do the lab tests to make sure it's not toxic etc, so it's legal to sell and then ship it out right away to 20 forum members we select. Wouldn't that be the best for everybody ? Both for us as for them ?

"In pursuit of that, we will be doing a convenience sample asap on a handful of people, not much different than a backwoods experiment- "Hey Jimbo, 'mere. Try this crap out! I done made a concoction". We will show you those results as a courtesy. Those results will be as rigorously and consistently reported as they can be, but understand skepticism still at that point.

The results of that less rigorous (only because they are not randomized, blinded, or placebo controlled), convenience sample will tell us if it seems to be working or not, in very generous terms, and if it's worth spending a ton of time and effort and money to go forward with a larger trial.

This larger trial will be randomized, double-blind, placebo controlled, IRB approved, and statistically significant, and will yield data that we can publish in peer-reviewed journals. In other words, good science. We may or may not launch Indiegogo before or during this trial, just depending on what we are seeing. If I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times: scientific integrity is paramount, and we will not take your money until convinced it will be effects. Trust me, our standard of evidence is higher than yours. " - Devon.

I am sure if they are going to send out samples to BTT peeps, it will be during the larger trial phase. Don't worry, it won't depend on just Devon's hair. Even the initial "convenience trial" will have a few people in addition to Devon.

[Arashi]

Okay, then can we agree to just wait until Devon tests the product before asking him to send it to forum members? No sense in producing the product and sending it out if he doesn't know it works.

Why would you want that ? If it doesn't work for person A, doesn't it for person B ? Wouldn't it make much more sense to test it on 20 people instead of just one ? What's the statistical significance of just 1 test ? I'd say, do the lab tests to make sure it's not toxic etc, so it's legal to sell and then ship it out right away to 20 forum members we select. Wouldn't that be the best for everybody ? Both for us as for them ?

[Hemo]

Please stay on topic and stop trolling, attacking and insulting or this thread WILL be closed. The admin warned to do that ! Winston doesn't make jokes, trust me.

Okay, then can we agree to just wait until Devon tests the product before asking him to send it to forum members? No sense in producing the product and sending it out if he doesn't know it works.

[nameless]

Lol this treatment will be a benchmark in months/years to a cautious approach and not get too hyped on a product

joel203 you are misinterpreting the events playing out before your eyes. Almost everybody is already taking a cautious approach.

[joel203]

Lol this treatment will be a benchmark in months/years to a cautious approach and not get too hyped on a product

[nameless]

I wonder how Follicept's vehicle would interact with occlusion.

I've seen first hand evidence that application of topical medicines is enhanced by doing the application shortly after a warm shower and towel drying lightly so the scalp is hydrated but dry.

And I've also seen first hand that wearing a shower cap after medicine application can result in greater absorption. I wonder how doing so would interact with Follicept's vehicle.

Off the top of my head it seems like either of these two things might increase systemic absorption but sometimes the actual effect is the exact opposite of what the supposed effect.

[Arashi]

Jesus christ do you guys have lives? Maybe if you had a hobby or two you wouldn't have to fight "scammers" all weekend?

We get it, legitimate researchers have sold fraudulent products in the past and people like Arashi are just trying to protect ignorant customers from themselves. Why not let people decide for themselves and post results/success? I don't think anyone here is going to buy before seeing results.

Please stay on topic and stop trolling, attacking and insulting or this thread WILL be closed. The admin warned to do that ! Winston doesn't make jokes, trust me.

[Hemo]

Jesus christ do you guys have lives? Maybe if you had a hobby or two you wouldn't have to fight "scammers" all weekend?

We get it, legitimate researchers have sold fraudulent products in the past and people like Arashi are just trying to protect ignorant customers from themselves. Why not let people decide for themselves and post results/success? I don't think anyone here is going to buy before seeing results.

[Swooping]

I concur with Arashi. Independent testing is the best way forward for the community. It's the only way that can realistically gauge if Follicept will have any merit at all.

That aside if Devon states after the first in-house trial that it has no positive effect it isn't needed obviously. However if he does think it has any merit then we should indeed go with a independent trial.

That is the proof we really need.

[FrenchNewbie]

It would be better for everyone here if we'd stay on topic and not post things like that. The admin already warned to close the topic if we'd keep on the same road as before. Nobody wants that. So please refrain from insults, harrassment and "rhetoric questions". I've asked it a million times but it seems very hard for everybody here to focus on our common goal: getting the proof we want.

Agree with that!

[Arashi]

It was a rhetorical question.

It would be better for everyone here if we'd stay on topic and not post things like that. The admin already warned to close the topic if we'd keep on the same road as before. Nobody wants that. So please refrain from insults, harrassment and "rhetoric questions". I've asked it a million times but it seems very hard for everybody here to focus on our common goal: getting the proof we want.

[thejack]

I've answered this before, even more than once. People say we're running in circles and we actually are. You keep asking the same questions. So if you really are interested in my answer, read the thread first. Thanks.

It was a rhetorical question.

[Arashi]

So what if it won't work? The more ways are known which don't work, the more the scientists can work on other stuff. A failure is not a failure in this case.

Also getting people excited for a while is not a sin .. now taking money from people for something that does not work is of course unacceptable.

I've answered this before, even more than once. People say we're running in circles and we actually are. You keep asking the same questions. So if you really are interested in my answer, read the thread first. Thanks.

[Kokles]

Guys, stop feeding the endless discussion. Do not reply to folks who do not understand, that if the tests end up in failure of the product it means only positive things for other researchers (failure is not a failure). Please just stop it.

"Road to hell is paved with good intentions" is something that some of this thread's trolls need to understand.