follicept - what's this?

[amoksha]

Kokles and Keki sound awfully "similar" sounding .

Arashi and Swooping were right. "Some" of the new users only come and post in the follicept forum and they don't post anywhere else.

Winston should monitor these users.

Also, sdurfin has a conflict of interest, he has an NDA with follicept , Devon admitted that.

Soo many conflict of interests of people on this forum.

I really don't care, honestly I want this treatment to work. If it works I'll join Follicept and become their fan.

Just give us a treatment that will help us baldies live in peace.

[Hemo]

My IQ is as much as the number of hair follicles on your head. Go figure!

That's what you get for your insult and condescending attitude !

Truth shall prevail. 2 weeks! Just results, no arguments !!!

Hi Arashi!!! It's pretty clear this is you and I'm quoting this so people can compare the very distinct typing style that amoksha and Arashi have. There is one peculiarity in particular that gives it away, which I can reveal later if others haven't picked up on it.

Can a mod look into the IP of both of these users?

[stayhopeful]

Hi Arashi!!! It's pretty clear this is you and I'm quoting this so people can compare the very distinct typing style that amoksha and Arashi have. There is one peculiarity in particular that gives it away, which I can reveal later if others haven't picked up on it.

Can a mod look into the IP of both of these users?

Hahahahaha I hope this is true... Would be funny but also a very serious sign of serious psychological issues

[FrenchNewbie]

I simply think that Follicept has done a small buzz all over the world. I found a lot of huge topics: France (where i come from), Germany, UK, Spain, Italy, Turkey, etc. I honestly think that those people who came here are the most optimistics of each forum (i came here after reading the french topic on Doctissimo and i was very optimistic, but i wait results... no results, no money).

Please see the french topic, you will understand: http://forum.doctissimo.fr/sante/cal..._167836_51.htm

65 pages, we are 65 millions of french (frogs for our friends from UK ) . People were very optimistic with the press release. Then with waiting, a lot of people changed their point of view. One day they are very optimistic. One day they are very pessimistic (some people are fragile psychologically with hair loss, you know what i mean...). And the translations of Devon answers are not well understood. I think that Devon is too kind with us. One answer by day (without responding to troll) is enough. More than that, we will speculate.

I sincerly think that Kokles and Keki are not the same person (a moderator can see that with IPs and confirm) cause they don't serve the interest of Follicept (it's too much, a firm which do flooding knows that you have to be reasonably optimistic to be credible). More, I think (but it's my personnal conviction by reading Devon and seeing all publications of Hsu and seeing their campains with diabetes) they are honnest. And i think they will prove it. If Follicept works we will have a proof. If it doesn't work, they will not sale it, and it will be a proof of honesty too. If they sale a product which don't work, we will have a proof that they were scammers (but i personnaly don't think that).

For my part, i can give a proof of my french indentity to moderators. Or maybe take a photo with a message front of a french monument in my town. Then you can verify if it's the same monument by searching on Wikipedia. I'm not a fake. And I think, like me, Keki and Kokles are not fakes. They are just too optimistic like some of us when we heard this news.

Ps: For all, please stop invective. We have the same goal. If skeptical people are wrong, they will accept it. And if optimistic people are wrong, they will accept it. So we are waiting now. We will have some proof or not in a couple of weeks. So we have to be solidary and keep hope. We have not a lot of hair, but we could have hope. It costs nothing and personnaly hope gave me smile (i won that with the Follicept affaire).

[sdsurfin]

my god so much insanity on here. Conflict of interest haha. I have an NDA with follicept because I was curious about their idea and Dr. Hsu appreciated my ideas and insight when i talked to devon. he wanted to explain to me why they are pursuing this treatment without giving away everything about their company. I have absolutely nothing to gain from follicept either way, I have no idea whether they will succeed or not, i just know its a solid idea based on solid science, pursued by some very smart biologists trained at the best universities in the USA, and that the team are reputable individuals that have nothing to gain from scamming anybody.

everyone who has looked into who follicept is composed of and thinks otherwise is a) stupid b) still uninformed or 3) like arashi and swooping, people with too much time on their hands and feeding their sense of self importance by declaring themselves the defenders of the follically oppressed. Arashi has proven to us time and time again on this forum that although he has a better ability for reading comprehension and logical deduction than someone like swooping, he has psychological issues that drive him to endlessly and obsessively sniff out conspiracies/theories whether they are there or not, and instead of doing something useful with his life, he is on these forums nonstop in some ridiculous quest to protect the gullible.

Follicept will either work or it won't. simple as that. it will not be difficult to know either way, just as other treatments either obviously work or they do not. If you look back at the charlatans who have scammed people, it was pretty obvious for anyone with half a brain that photos etc were not legit. Don't trust follicept? let them do their trials, and if they seem shady then you can start whining and botching. for now stop acting like spoiled babies and do something else with your lives while we wait. no need for endless posts challenging follicept's methods. just let them do their work and they will do their best to show you what they observe. they have no duty to do this for you and if they have a good product, there are millions of normal balding guys that don't waste their time on here and will buy what they produce.

There'a always a good chance that any hair treatment will not be great, because hair loss is an incredibly complex and ingrained genetic condition. whether this avenue will work or not shall be seen, but what is evident via many many scientific publications is that growth factors indeed play a large role in hair growth and loss, and follicept are not the only company interested in these channels. Replicel, histogen, SM, and many drugs that you have heard of all work by promoting or inhibiting certain factors and proteins, whether directly or indirectly, and there's every reason to think that follicept will affect hair growth in a positive way. Don't let armchair scientists crush your hopes with their limited understanding of science, and their half assed ability to google research documents and infer things that cannot really be inferred. talking to dr hsu made me realize just how much is impossible for any layman to know, even with access to all these papers. knowing how these things works takes great knowledge of biology, and no one, including myself, on these forums has shown any sign of having dr. hsus level of expertise.

whether this will be a useful treatment remains to be seen, and all we can do is be patient and let these people work, and be grateful that you even know about this at all, because in my opinion they are crazy to still be posting on here given the ridiculous amount of psychological disfunction displayed herein.

[Frenchy2]

Please see the french topic, you will understand: http://forum.doctissimo.fr/sante/cal..._167836_51.htm

65 pages, we are 65 millions of french (frogs for our friends from UK ) . People were very optimistic with the press release. Then with waiting, a lot of people changed their point of view. One day they are very optimistic. One day they are very pessimistic

not sure it's a good example, too much trolls on this forum, and even more on this thread pal...

#bringbackourhairlines follicept

[Keki]

At this point i wish there were a logic test and reading comphrension one for the registration if they think i'm really a fake follicept account, no kidding they must be on psychiatric paranoid medications or some mental deficit to really think that, i even posted a pic of my ****ig head, i said that the chance this works are like 1-2% and i'm ****ing european posting in european times, but yeah i'm a fake accoutn just because i don't perpetuate a defamation and a witch hunt, like you know a criminal offense in my country, the funny part is that is so simple to stop this accusations, i can post my driving license, the bookshelf near me, or my license plate when i go out in a couple of hours or even a picture of my windows where you can clearly see where i'm coming from but no, at this point you trolls deserve nothing, at least i can recognize who are worthing a comment and who no. And honstly at this point YOU could be an arashi alt account, totally plausible, he is obsessed in this paranoid stuff, he post a "give up comment" and come here to continue the same, yeah it's totally possible

[diffuseloser]

You dont have to defend yourself Keki. There's just a couple of paranoid nuts in here who are intent in causing havoc and slandering people.

[Keki]

And i want to point out AGAIN and AGAIN I am on the SKEPTICAL side, i do not believe this will works in 12 days, i believe this will never work on everyone, i believe the chance this can works are only possible through their vehicle, i begin to be interested when they said they needed only 6 units of insulin instead of 100+ with normal injection and i hope in some interaction with the follicle, but still this possibility is less then 1-2%? Basically we need a miracle, still i believe in insulin resistence and the igf as perfect growth factor for hairs but we never succeeded before sadly, I WILL NOT buy it if it cost me more then 150$ without other people reviews, and I WILL NOT buy it without real and clear pics of vellus going terminal.
I think this will put me in the same side of the 99% of balding people who are reading this thread.
The only "blind optimistic" behevior is i personally choose to not use proved treatment before their results, this indeed it costing me A LOT of hairs in this couple of months, i believe me i'm ****ig suffering every time i see myself in the mirror or my sink clogged with HUNDREADS of hairs every time i wash my head, and the fear of the wind when going out, so yes if this will not work i trashed a good 1000+ hairs i think it's a good price to pay for some genuine interest

[breakbot]

If i'm correct Devon is not a scientist. He came here to make all of you friends and advertise their magical vehicle and their company without any evidence of hair regrowth. By accident many members like sdsurfin patronize him.
They didn't wait for the trials and came here to say wow we guess we have an amazing product. All of the mice believers members don't know that igf1 has been tested via injections with other growth factors and didn't overperform minoxidil. Injections make the job as it has too.
I'm not obsessed like Arashi, who has a purpose of his life to reveal the scammers, but this is definitely a scam.

[amoksha]

Let's get it damn straight. I love Follicept , Devon and Hr Hsu. I honestly think that the approach they are taking is too reductionist . Igf1 is one of many factors that remedy androgenic alopecia and at this point it's almost impossible to tell if it works stand-alone.

The hype and parroting of the information provided by Dr Hsu and Devon is dangerous. We need to research and double check everything they tell us, as they are humans and they can be wrong. Going to Harvard is not an indicator of anything.

I was a lurker and when I saw an abnormal activity on the forum I intervened and decided to chime in.

I also have marketing background and I can see that general statements and the verbiage used is clear "double-speak" or "weasel words" when talking of follicept. I am going to scour this thread and the website and put together a folio of statements / claims which are in clear violation of American Marketing Associations standards of marketing ethics .

I'm based out of Cal and I'm not Arashi , I can also share my details if need be. Moderator can check the IPs .

I've suffered from hair loss since the past few years, it eats my self esteem , confidence, love life like a termite from the inside. Life is hard and unbearable sometimes with this condition.

I want Devon and Dr Hsu to be successful , I want Follicept and our community to find a cure . We all "loose" and we all "win" together in this battle.

That being sense we all need to use our common sense, we need to question , sit on the fence and fully make sure this work.

If this works I won't hesitate to get it and go and give Devon a Dr Hsu a hi-5 or even a bro hug.

My life is in shatters with hair loss.

I just was astounded and shocked to see guys being so knaively positive.

I'll now keep quiet, and wait for results to pour in. I'll have lots of kudos and support for Devon and Hsu if it works. Hell ya, I'll evangelize this product if it can end our suffering.

However, if it fails which has a high probability, I'll have immense respect for Devon and Dr Hsu if they like thousands of scientists in the past admit that it didn't work and they need to try a different thing. It takes a lot of courage and honesty.

I hope and I trust Devon and Dr Hsu will not play with the feeling of vulnerable people like me and others whose life is scarred with baldness.

Good luck and I hope this works.

We all win and loose together..

Sorry Keki/Kokles if I came hard at ya. I had to instill a sense of healthy skepticism and bring some of ya people down to the ground reality from the "clouds".. Just don't want ya falling hard without a chute buddy. Trust me I've been there in the past..

Take care ! All the best.. Fingers crossed

[Arashi]

I'm not accusing anyone, I'm stating what many others are observing about Keki. Truth shall prevail..

Of course. Everybody here knows that Keki and Hemo are Follicept accounts. Both new, both only posting here, both ALWAYS and ALWAYS defending follicept, even if that's going against the interest of us, the consumers (like coming up with BS reasons why an independent test is a bad thing). And they seem to know a lot about this therapy, more like everybody else here. But yeah that all surely must be one big coincidence. LOL.

And now Devon upping the price of the therapy, to make more money in a short run. And then doubting if he should shave his head, with a multi billion reward for it ... Yeah that makes sense, who wouldnt have those doubts with only a multi billion dollar reward... Sigh...

[amoksha]

Arashi man, please keep quiet. Let us just wait and see. Let's not rain on the parade. Let's hope it works with cautious skepticism ..

Honestly, there can be so many conspiracy theories but let's steer clear of them.

I'm vowing to keep quiet and not engage in debate with anyone.

They accuse me of being you. Hahah!

I'm waiting for the results of a "proper trial"..that starts next week.

I wish Follicept success and if they work, I vouch to be their biggest advocate. Until then cautious optimism and close monitoring/documentation of statements and responses shall prevail .

#JustResultsNoArgument!
#GoFolliceptGo!

[Arashi]

They accuse me of being you. Hahah!

Of course. But I'd be willing to shoot a pic, with me and my passport in my hand with this forum on the compu in the back ground to Winston. If you do that too and Keki and Hemo too, then we'll see who's real and who's not. Deal guys ?

[Hemo]

I've never defended Follicept's product since I don't know if it works. The only thing I've consistently stated is essentially "let the researchers do their work and wait for the trials", which you/amoksha ignore. I'll be the first to cry foul if follicept goes on sale with little to no proof of efficacy, but am not going to condemn them when I haven't been given a reason to.

I do find it funny that both amoksha and Arashi end up posting so close together...you really think quoting yourself is really going to convince us that you're not the same person?