Best non-finasteride option to stop loss? Help out a returning old timer...

[Pate]

So you think the premixed anageninc solution is legit? That is what I was thinking about trying but man 25 dollars to ship within US is a lot. The stuff itself is like 35. I might give a try even if its just using a little just on the temples. I dont like the idea of propecia but its certainly easier to get a hold of and much more reliable with what your getting plus cheaper.

I'll tell you when it arrives. I think it's legit, it's Kane's company and several people have had his RU tested. I will be able to tell by the reduction in scalp oiliness as PinotQ said.

I'm kind of worried that I still haven't got it yet, if yours arrived in less than a week PinotQ. Customs might have nabbed it.

I don't plan on staying with the pre-mixed stuff, if I continue with RU long term I will get powder and mix my own. Pre-mix is just too expensive.

[PinotQ]

I'll tell you when it arrives. I think it's legit, it's Kane's company and several people have had his RU tested. I will be able to tell by the reduction in scalp oiliness as PinotQ said.

I'm kind of worried that I still haven't got it yet, if yours arrived in less than a week PinotQ. Customs might have nabbed it.

I don't plan on staying with the pre-mixed stuff, if I continue with RU long term I will get powder and mix my own. Pre-mix is just too expensive.

Not sure if you caught it but I ordered expedited delivery. Also, the plastic vial system takes very little time once you get set up. I ordered these 0001-50 here https://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin2015.html (48 for $18.00+). Also, I just reduced the amount per day to 60 mg as 100 mg started to give me a little brain fog.

[RockyMtn]

So, an update on my initial post here... I went ahead and ordered OC Ethanol from Kane. I have been using a 2% solution for about a week and a half now. There has definitely been no reduction to shedding / loss at this point. I know these treatments take awhile, but it's a bit discouraging after reading of so many others who claimed OC made their loss stop "immediately". If I pinch a section of hair anywhere on the top of my head and give it a gentle tug, I'll have at minimum a hair every time, and sometimes 2 or 3. Plenty of hairs on my hands after shampooing as well. I don't know if OC is capable of causing a shed (I haven't read of anyone stating that), but my loss is definitely not diminishing.

I have diffuse thinning, so this week I have decided to use a bit more per application, as it takes a good bit to cover everywhere. It's going to be pretty expensive at this rate, but I'm going to continue through this batch and maybe one more. I can deal with the cost if it stops things for me, but it looks like that is yet to be determined.

After reading this thread, I'm not sure if I should go ahead and give RU a try as well? I'm definitely on borrowed time here, so I'm up for anything that can help at this point. Are there any RU success stories from users with diffuse loss?

[FearTheLoss]

Give OC a little more time, and up the concentration a bit. A week is far too soon to make a judgement on a treatment.

As for RU, there have been many success stories. However, if you're highly sensitive to AA's, you will more than likely get sides with RU. I had RU sides, however, they were very minor compared to fin.

If you want to go the AA route, and have money, CB is your best bet. I know two people using it at a 5% concentration 1 time a day and they have both had results and by results I mean REGROWTH.

[sdsurfin]

Also balding is multifactorial, and different thing work for different people. FTL where r ur friends getting their CB? We don't really know what concentration OC might work at.

[burtandernie]

Is balding really multifactorial though? I mean castration prevents it from happening in 100 percent of men I would imagine so in a way your right that lots of things are involved but in a way its a solely androgen mediated disease at least in terms of prevention. Regrowing hair is a whole different ball game.
It still seems to me if you used Dut plus something RU at a good concentration you could prevent MPB from ever getting worse. The issue is regrowth is completely different. The issue still is how do you safely stop androgens without sides. CB might be that answer.

[RockyMtn]

Give OC a little more time, and up the concentration a bit. A week is far too soon to make a judgement on a treatment.

As for RU, there have been many success stories. However, if you're highly sensitive to AA's, you will more than likely get sides with RU. I had RU sides, however, they were very minor compared to fin.

If you want to go the AA route, and have money, CB is your best bet. I know two people using it at a 5% concentration 1 time a day and they have both had results and by results I mean REGROWTH.

Yeah, I certainly agree a week is not time to declare success or defeat here. However, it seems like others have claimed that adding OC = instant stoppage in loss for them. Unfortunately, I can not make that claim yet. But, I'll keep at it and we'll see what happens.

I'm really interested in your CB comment. My understanding was that the issue with CB has been finding the right vehicle. If you have any info on what these people are doing, I am all ears... Is there a thread you can link to? If not, do you know the source of their CB? What vehicle are they using? How often, etc. Any info here would be greatly appreciated. I had a really good year of work last year, so I don't mind spending some money if I can find something that's going to work. Thanks in advance for anything you have to add here!

[kantian]

^ I second what he said. I'm interested in hearing any information you have about CB. I have not been able to find even 1 testimonial about someone successfully purchasing and using CB in the black market with success.

[Dave5710]

Try the lasercap. I've been using rogaine for 30 years and got some results of small vellus coverage. I used to use finasteride until it almost made me impotent! Stay away from drugs and try the lasercap. It works.

[sdsurfin]

Is balding really multifactorial though? I mean castration prevents it from happening in 100 percent of men I would imagine so in a way your right that lots of things are involved but in a way its a solely androgen mediated disease at least in terms of prevention. Regrowing hair is a whole different ball game.
It still seems to me if you used Dut plus something RU at a good concentration you could prevent MPB from ever getting worse. The issue is regrowth is completely different. The issue still is how do you safely stop androgens without sides. CB might be that answer.

yes it is multifactorial. Lots of genes involved. Androgen receptors trigger it in probably most of the cases, which is why it is so common in men. but it is possible that its triggered by other things as well, at least in some cases. Also, just because androgens are triggering it doesn't mean that the downstream pathways work the same in every person. Or that the AR receptors act the same in every person. Hence people do better on different treatments.

A safe anti androgen would be great, I'm also curious to know where these people are getting CB. I think there are much better possibilities for topical AAs out there than CB (which is not specifically an anti androgen, just has anti A properties) , but unfortunately no one is developing them for mpb yet.

I think a combination of things like setipiprant and SM or bim could effectively override the combination of signals that androgen receptors are unleashing, at least to tide us over for a good while. minoxidil is enough to stem the loss in many people for a good while, and it was never a mpb specific drug. we are learning more, and options will diversify, just like with any condition. It is similar to cancer, its hard to cure completely for the most part but treatments are getting better and better. my mom recently had thyroid cancer and they got rid of it totally. a couple decades back and she would be done for.

[Trouse5858]

No offense lilpauly but why are you still on these message boards?

I remember the pictures you posted of yourself a few months back....you're literally not balding at all. Maybe like .5 mm of a receding hairline but that's it. No sane person would look at you and have a moment's thought about MPB. Just seems like a waste of time if you ask me. Plus, receding hairline is the simplest fix with a transplant. It's when you have lost a ton on the crown and the front that you're actually screwed..

[lilpauly]

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No offense lilpauly but why are you still on these message boards?

I remember the pictures you posted of yourself a few months back....you're literally not balding at all. Maybe like .5 mm of a receding hairline but that's it. No sane person would look at you and have a moment's thought about MPB. Just seems like a waste of time if you ask me. Plus, receding hairline is the simplest fix with a transplant. It's when you have lost a ton on the crown and the front that you're actually screwed..

I have spending less time on the forums and moving forward will spend less time , I have made great progress over the years

[Swooping]

So, an update on my initial post here... I went ahead and ordered OC Ethanol from Kane. I have been using a 2% solution for about a week and a half now. There has definitely been no reduction to shedding / loss at this point. I know these treatments take awhile, but it's a bit discouraging after reading of so many others who claimed OC made their loss stop "immediately". If I pinch a section of hair anywhere on the top of my head and give it a gentle tug, I'll have at minimum a hair every time, and sometimes 2 or 3. Plenty of hairs on my hands after shampooing as well. I don't know if OC is capable of causing a shed (I haven't read of anyone stating that), but my loss is definitely not diminishing.

I have diffuse thinning, so this week I have decided to use a bit more per application, as it takes a good bit to cover everywhere. It's going to be pretty expensive at this rate, but I'm going to continue through this batch and maybe one more. I can deal with the cost if it stops things for me, but it looks like that is yet to be determined.

After reading this thread, I'm not sure if I should go ahead and give RU a try as well? I'm definitely on borrowed time here, so I'm up for anything that can help at this point. Are there any RU success stories from users with diffuse loss?

Basically the proven methods are FIN, DUT & RU. They all have their pros and cons. You are trying the PGD2 angle, aside from barely a few anecdotal sayings there is zero proof that that shit works. Less than 5% of the actual people who used it stated that. Remember you are losing your hair, prevention is where it's at. Retrieving your hair is virtually impossible. I think you know what both fin & dut are.

So then you have CB-03-01 also. From the beginning I immediately said the concentration with CB-03-01 was a problem because the affinity to the androgen receptor is slightly worse than RU58841 from the information we have. People couldn't believe it, I was the only one preaching it. People began selling "vehicles" for profit. Anyway, no wonder that Cosmo is trialing a 2x 5% concentration at 100MG a day. CB-03-01 at the cheapest sources from china is around 100-110$ a gram perhaps less if you invest extremely much money. That is from what I recall.

CB-03-01 will most likely not be better than RU-58841, yes the pharmacokinetics may be better than RU58841 and thus it will pose less side effects, but that's a gamble. Perhaps RU-58841 is more safe, you don't know. To be completely sure you'll need to await the findings of Cosmo. Just know that RU-58841 has been used and is used by thousands of people from all over the world, CB-03-01 has been only used by a handful people at a appropriate dosage because it's expensive like hell.

Even castration doesn't regrow hair, keep that in your head. Every second counts. Have you tried fin or dut btw?

[lilpauly]

Swooping I recall you used cb from kane at 7%, and you was happy about it, why did you quit.

Notherless I'm on kanes ru + oc, it works fine.

Waiting for sepip groupbuy. Kane says 13usd per gram however we need group buy.

What's the news with team tlr?

tlr will have it soon ! I spoke with them today , be cheap , don't also have to pay for 50 chinese shipping

[FearTheLoss]

tlr will have it soon ! I spoke with them today , be cheap , don't also have to pay for 50 chinese shipping

You have confirmation that tlr is going to be supplying CB?