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  • lupero83
    Member
    • Aug 2014
    • 36

    #31
    Originally posted by Slam1523
    You're an idiot, get off this dudes nuts! Thanks sdsurfin for proactively searching info!
    RepliCel if it works it will be a complete cure , as already stated is only a matter of dosage and frequency .
    Sdsurfin if you answered repicel much information to a mail congratulations you are privileged.
    Normally biotechnology companies with phase 2 trials do not answer or only a very reputable journalists.
    Sorry for my english

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    • Slam1523
      Member
      • May 2014
      • 82

      #32
      Originally posted by lupero83
      RepliCel if it works it will be a complete cure , as already stated is only a matter of dosage and frequency .
      Sdsurfin if you answered repicel much information to a mail congratulations you are privileged.
      Normally biotechnology companies with phase 2 trials do not answer or only a very reputable journalists.
      Sorry for my english
      Understood, but questioning a man's integrity who is simply trying to help isn't the way to go about approaching that... If I found info that I worked hard to dig up, and everyone called me a liar... Well that would be the last time I post information like that... I understand if people choose to take things with skepticism, but you don't have to call people liars is all I'm saying... Again efforts taken on our behalf to get information like this deserve a thank you in my book!

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      • sdsurfin
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2013
        • 702

        #33
        Originally posted by PatientlyWaiting
        If it's as good as Propecia? Can you elaborate? Propecia has been around for MPB since 1997. If one of these "10 years away" treatments like Replicel end up being as good as a drug from 1997, I don't see how that's something to be thankful for? 20+ years after Propecia, waiting, and waiting, for another Propecia.
        In my book propecia is pretty much a miraculous treatment, but is has shit sides. I know people who regrew all their losses on propecia and then don't ever lose it again. Or people who maintain for a couple of decades. If something can work like that without side effects that's good enough for me. I don't care if I go bald in my 50s or 60s. Also, the people who don't respond to replicel will probably be fewer (and women can also benefit) than the people who don't respond to propecia, since replicel is cell based. I don't see a lot of need to improve on the efficacy of propecia, just to make it safe. The people who are already bald are screwed, and if I was, I would just accept it. It's going to take decades if not longer to develop a cure that grows hair on bald scalp. If you talk to hair researchers now, they will tell you that new follicle engineering is coming, but not very soon. and when it does they will need to overcome the obstacles of dealing with a bald and inhospitable scalp.

        So for me, if someone comes out with a solid maintenance treatment with no sides in the next decade, that's a huge improvement. Not to mention a treatment where you don't have to keep taking something or worrying about it all the time.

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        • sdsurfin
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2013
          • 702

          #34
          I think people generally respond to well thought out questions and to intelligent inquiry.

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          • FearTheLoss
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 1581

            #35
            Originally posted by sdsurfin
            In my book propecia is pretty much a miraculous treatment, but is has shit sides. I know people who regrew all their losses on propecia and then don't ever lose it again. Or people who maintain for a couple of decades. If something can work like that without side effects that's good enough for me. I don't care if I go bald in my 50s or 60s. Also, the people who don't respond to replicel will probably be fewer (and women can also benefit) than the people who don't respond to propecia, since replicel is cell based. I don't see a lot of need to improve on the efficacy of propecia, just to make it safe. The people who are already bald are screwed, and if I was, I would just accept it. It's going to take decades if not longer to develop a cure that grows hair on bald scalp. If you talk to hair researchers now, they will tell you that new follicle engineering is coming, but not very soon. and when it does they will need to overcome the obstacles of dealing with a bald and inhospitable scalp.

            So for me, if someone comes out with a solid maintenance treatment with no sides in the next decade, that's a huge improvement. Not to mention a treatment where you don't have to keep taking something or worrying about it all the time.

            Completely agree, however, I believe we will see great advancements made in the field of surgical hair restoration in coming years i.e. regeneration, scarless, improved growth timeline..etc

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            • somethingsomething
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 7

              #36
              Originally posted by sdsurfin
              The people who are already bald are screwed, and if I was, I would just accept it. It's going to take decades if not longer to develop a cure that grows hair on bald scalp.
              Not to be rude or anything. But I seen alot of posts from you and the fact you do not respond well on propecia. Isn't the chance big for you that you have lost your hair before replicel launches? I mean minox mostly work for 1 top 2 years before you loose all of what it remained in a brutal shedd . Are you using anything else except minox like treatments?

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              • Hairismylife
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 383

                #37
                Originally posted by sdsurfin
                In my book propecia is pretty much a miraculous treatment, but is has shit sides. I know people who regrew all their losses on propecia and then don't ever lose it again. Or people who maintain for a couple of decades. If something can work like that without side effects that's good enough for me. I don't care if I go bald in my 50s or 60s. Also, the people who don't respond to replicel will probably be fewer (and women can also benefit) than the people who don't respond to propecia, since replicel is cell based. I don't see a lot of need to improve on the efficacy of propecia, just to make it safe. The people who are already bald are screwed, and if I was, I would just accept it. It's going to take decades if not longer to develop a cure that grows hair on bald scalp. If you talk to hair researchers now, they will tell you that new follicle engineering is coming, but not very soon. and when it does they will need to overcome the obstacles of dealing with a bald and inhospitable scalp.

                So for me, if someone comes out with a solid maintenance treatment with no sides in the next decade, that's a huge improvement. Not to mention a treatment where you don't have to keep taking something or worrying about it all the time.
                What's your opinion that nothing will regrow hair based on?
                Bim, Sm target at regrowth, minox is already here, though, has sides, and the antiandrogen and pgd2 inhibitor can help in certain extent, not to mention Pilofocus.
                Your comment has no ground and just based on your personal preference because you are a Nw 2~3.

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                • sdsurfin
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 702

                  #38
                  Originally posted by somethingsomething
                  Not to be rude or anything. But I seen alot of posts from you and the fact you do not respond well on propecia. Isn't the chance big for you that you have lost your hair before replicel launches? I mean minox mostly work for 1 top 2 years before you loose all of what it remained in a brutal shedd . Are you using anything else except minox like treatments?
                  Yeah, there is that chance, I'm hoping that doesn't happen. My loss is slow, but if replicel doesn't pan out in the next three years or so I'm probably screwed. I don't know, I put a lot of hope in this treatment, but that may be very silly. There are many questions still to be answered about it, and always delays from that company.

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                  • FearTheLoss
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 1581

                    #39
                    Originally posted by sdsurfin
                    Yeah, there is that chance, I'm hoping that doesn't happen. My loss is slow, but if replicel doesn't pan out in the next three years or so I'm probably screwed. I don't know, I put a lot of hope in this treatment, but that may be very silly. There are many questions still to be answered about it, and always delays from that company.
                    I think many people on this forum overestimate how quick most people lose their hair. The general consensus seems to be if you do nothing, your hair is gone in 2 years. That's simply not true, more times than not, it takes years for a hair to "die out". Even then, dut and minox combo can often bring it back to life. Many doctors suggest that they can save hair that has "died out" even around 3 years ago. Therefore, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that treatments coming won't rejuvenate a lot of these hairs you may be losing now or in the next couple of years. I mean look at all the positive responses posted from the use of current treatments. Future treatments will be as good or better.

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                    • FooFighter
                      Member
                      • Feb 2015
                      • 90

                      #40
                      I dont know how much it will cost, but i am only predict that rich costumers will got it in the begining, because they will need machines, people and time.

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                      • Gerhard
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2015
                        • 101

                        #41
                        Originally posted by FooFighter
                        The main problem about Replicel is that would be very expensive treatment for most of us and it will be only in Japan, so most of people can’t afford to travel 4-5 times in Tokyo to get a treatment. And they can’t afford it to a big population, because they dont have time and sources to do that.
                        Im a little clueless about replicel to be honest. Does their treatment only last an incremental period of time?

                        Originally posted by lupero83
                        RepliCel if it works it will be a complete cure , as already stated is only a matter of dosage and frequency .
                        Sdsurfin if you answered repicel much information to a mail congratulations you are privileged.
                        Normally biotechnology companies with phase 2 trials do not answer or only a very reputable journalists.
                        Sorry for my english
                        I just hope their actually capable of pushing forward and making it quickly. I fear my propecia and further hair loss.

                        Originally posted by sdsurfin
                        In my book propecia is pretty much a miraculous treatment, but is has shit sides. I know people who regrew all their losses on propecia and then don't ever lose it again. Or people who maintain for a couple of decades. If something can work like that without side effects that's good enough for me. I don't care if I go bald in my 50s or 60s. Also, the people who don't respond to replicel will probably be fewer (and women can also benefit) than the people who don't respond to propecia, since replicel is cell based. I don't see a lot of need to improve on the efficacy of propecia, just to make it safe. The people who are already bald are screwed, and if I was, I would just accept it. It's going to take decades if not longer to develop a cure that grows hair on bald scalp. If you talk to hair researchers now, they will tell you that new follicle engineering is coming, but not very soon. and when it does they will need to overcome the obstacles of dealing with a bald and inhospitable scalp.

                        So for me, if someone comes out with a solid maintenance treatment with no sides in the next decade, that's a huge improvement. Not to mention a treatment where you don't have to keep taking something or worrying about it all the time.
                        True. Perhaps because I'm young I say this, but being bald in my fifties or sixties isn't overly dramatic for me. I may not even hit that age due to some medical issues, so perhaps I'm biased. If I were to live that long though, I can honestly say that at that age hair would have little impact on my life. Many people are balding at that age and it's socially accepted. At the age of 16-30 it's still pretty stigmatized. Learned that yesterday from a friend of mine who didn't know I was receding.

                        Originally posted by FearTheLoss
                        I think many people on this forum overestimate how quick most people lose their hair. The general consensus seems to be if you do nothing, your hair is gone in 2 years. That's simply not true, more times than not, it takes years for a hair to "die out". Even then, dut and minox combo can often bring it back to life. Many doctors suggest that they can save hair that has "died out" even around 3 years ago. Therefore, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that treatments coming won't rejuvenate a lot of these hairs you may be losing now or in the next couple of years. I mean look at all the positive responses posted from the use of current treatments. Future treatments will be as good or better.
                        My initial hairloss started at 18. I quickly was knocked down to a Norwood 2.5 to 3 by the time I was 19. I went through pretty much 3 full norwoods before stabilizing and I've only been on propecia recently so I have no idea if it would have continued unabated without it. However, NW3 does run in my mother's side, but my father is a full on NW 6 or 7 so that doesn't make me feel much better. Honestly, hair can go a lot quicker than you'd expect in my experience. A guy I've seen here at college is 22 and already a NW 5. I have no idea when he started losing, but that there is a prime example. I also have a few NW 7's and a couple NW 4's.

                        Originally posted by FooFighter
                        I dont know how much it will cost, but i am only predict that rich costumers will got it in the begining, because they will need machines, people and time.
                        I'd let them slap my ass and call me Sprinkles to get enough money to fix my hair loss. I'm sure the average Joe can do it if they set aside enough money. My next couple of summers will be for saving up for this potential cure. However, I'm still skeptical. Until we see for sure that there's a cure I'm not gonna get too excited. I'm feeling a little pessimistic lately.

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                        • sdsurfin
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 702

                          #42
                          It's different for everyone. My uncles took two decades to lose their hair, and it took my friend 5 years. Pretty much all men go bald eventually and in some cases they are gradually thinning their whole lives. Look at woods Allen he lost just his crown early and then stayed like that forever. Can't really predict except by looking at family. Usually you are a solid combination of your two sides, but some people get an aggressive gene or, like my brother, don't get the balding gene at all.

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                          • Gerhard
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2015
                            • 101

                            #43
                            Originally posted by sdsurfin
                            It's different for everyone. My uncles took two decades to lose their hair, and it took my friend 5 years. Pretty much all men go bald eventually and in some cases they are gradually thinning their whole lives. Look at woods Allen he lost just his crown early and then stayed like that forever. Can't really predict except by looking at family. Usually you are a solid combination of your two sides, but some people get an aggressive gene or, like my brother, don't get the balding gene at all.
                            True that. It really is a hit or miss type thing. Personally, I'm hoping that I'm unnecessarily on propecia and my hairloss stops at a early NW3 like every male on my mother's side of the family (seriously, one of my uncles was a NW3 by 16 and hasn't lost a thing since). However, I'm nervous about my dad's side as well. I guess I'll have to wait and see. Or hope Replicel comes out with an amazing treatment to just end all worries here and now.

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                            • PatientlyWaiting
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1637

                              #44
                              There's no reason why one should accept that the best thing we will get is a drug that will duplicate the results of a treatment from the 90s, but without sides. I use finasteride religiously, everyday, and have been using it since 2007 with no sides. There are millions upon millions of men in the same position as me, who don't get sides. And fin is not a miraculous drug, it's old and outdated, we need something better.

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                              • Gerhard
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2015
                                • 101

                                #45
                                Originally posted by PatientlyWaiting
                                There's no reason why one should accept that the best thing we will get is a drug that will duplicate the results of a treatment from the 90s, but without sides. I use finasteride religiously, everyday, and have been using it since 2007 with no sides. There are millions upon millions of men in the same position as me, who don't get sides. And fin is not a miraculous drug, it's old and outdated, we need something better.
                                If Replicel is a permanent maintenance then that means it would be a 100% failsafe for those unable to take propecia.

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