We have a vehicle for CB-03-01: VERSAPRO

[Phatalis]

Yeah man. I mean.. maybe some dudes can use fin and be fine but don't let people tell you there aren't sides and it's completely safe.

I'm a healthy dude. I work out. I had an insaaaanneee libido. I took a very low dosage of fin for only 2 weeks. My libido dropped. My semen was watery. My orgasm was weak. My dick wasn't as hard.

This all happened. It wasn't in my head. I was with my gf doing the same thing prior for months with no issues. I tried fin. Had issues. Got off.. they started to get better... tried again.. had issues. Both times were 2 week periods in the span of 2 months or so.

Fin definitely does something that isn't healthy. And I'm surprised people are weirded out by ru. Sure it's experimental and we don't know what it could do. But we do know what fin can do. And it's bad. Ru hadn't shown anything too bad.

With that said one could argue the evil we know is better than the one we don't. But no way I'm taking fin ever again. I can't imagine taking the normal dosage and can't even further imagine taking a strong Dos of dut. This shit must wreck systems in the body.

[diffuseloser]

No drug is safe except marijuana. Ironically, it's the FDA approved drug that scares me the most. That's why I've never been brave enough to try finasteride. RU being topical, I feel a lot more comfortable with. I have no experience with finasteride, so I can't really slate it. All I can say is I'm glad I never took it to find out.

[walrus]

So RU is not safe to use?

No one here is qualified to say with certainty.

[ryan82]

So RU is not safe to use?

the advantage of CB over RU was always said to be the safety aspect, as CB can't go systemic in theory. so it perfectly binds to the follicle's androgen receptors, no?

further, even it turns out that eth/pg vehicle is as good as the new versapro cream, isn't the cream not much better in terms of sideeffects? i mean, those standard vehicles always have those nasty effects like burning on the skin or making the skin dry. they're often simply too harsh, no? i still think that desmond's find is a great think, for all future topicals and maybe there's even a chance that we could deliver some growth factors with that cream vehicle.

[ryan82]

the cost of Versapro cream is not expensive http://www.drugsdepot.com/catalog.ph...418&disp=price
Yes why not try it with RU ?

That's why I'm so hyped about CB. I think it's our one real shot of nailing this. There's so much stuff circulating on these forums that's not even worth talking about but with CB, I really believe it's something to be excited about.

Versapro would be naturally good for the scalp. From what I've read it would combat dryness and irritation, much like any other cream.

What's to stop us from trying RU with Versapro in the meantime? Surely that would be something to consider?

[diffuseloser]

That's why I'm so hyped about CB. I think it's our one real shot of nailing this. There's so much stuff circulating on these forums that's not even worth talking about but with CB, I really believe it's something to be excited about.

Versapro would be naturally good for the scalp. From what I've read it would combat dryness and irritation, much like any other cream.

What's to stop us from trying RU with Versapro in the meantime? Surely that would be something to consider?

[joachim]

the advantage of CB over RU was always said to be the safety aspect, as CB can't go systemic in theory. so it perfectly binds to the follicle's androgen receptors, no?

further, even it turns out that eth/pg vehicle is as good as the new versapro cream, isn't the cream not much better in terms of sideeffects? i mean, those standard vehicles always have those nasty effects like burning on the skin or making the skin dry. they're often simply too harsh, no? i still think that desmond's find is a great think, for all future topicals and maybe there's even a chance that we could deliver some growth factors with that cream vehicle.

[diffuseloser]

If we only had to apply it 2 or 3 times a week, it wouldn't be too bad. I think it would have to be used at at least 5% concentration. I've asked Kane about a bulk buy of CB so I'm waiting to hear back. I'll see if I can get a breakdown of prices in increments of 20g. I have no idea how many of you guys would be interested in a bulk buy. Whatever he comes back with, I'm going to be cheeky and try to haggle him a bit. At the end of the day, he's making money off this and I'm sure he'll be glad of the custom. It's early days yet and a lot of variables to consider.

[ryan82]

Well its a anti-androgen. So there will be no regrowth. It will keep DHT localy of the scalp. Its maybe more powerfully then RU. But if you increase RU % in minox or Neo .. then you have the same effect as CB ??? Can somebody confirm this?

I asked a little while ago if anybody knew if CB in current vehicles maintained hair or not. I couldn't find anything about it by searching. All the stories of people using I could find were of people not re-growing and then stopping because it is expensive. For all we know it could be a combination of dose and vehicle and not having the right form of CB at the time. That's why you need a lot of data from people using it, so that you can tell which was the problem.

I'd have go imagine if people started buying it regularly the price would drop, in addition to if you could organize bulk orders and they agreed.

To the people talking about chest pain, COSMO stated that their Phase 1 hair trial (Which included 5% dose participants) didn't observe any androgen related side effects. As the other guy said, anxiety can easily cause that also.

[Justinian]

I asked a little while ago if anybody knew if CB in current vehicles maintained hair or not. I couldn't find anything about it by searching. All the stories of people using I could find were of people not re-growing and then stopping because it is expensive. For all we know it could be a combination of dose and vehicle and not having the right form of CB at the time. That's why you need a lot of data from people using it, so that you can tell which was the problem.

I'd have go imagine if people started buying it regularly the price would drop, in addition to if you could organize bulk orders and they agreed.

To the people talking about chest pain, COSMO stated that their Phase 1 hair trial (Which included 5% dose participants) didn't observe any androgen related side effects. As the other guy said, anxiety can easily cause that also.

[joachim]

yep, its to expensive.

if we would be sure that CB is effective and if we would do a large group buy i'm sure kane could cut the price down to at least 50%. i think it's only expensive when they produce small amounts, like when someone orders a few grams or so.

[ryan82]

yep, its to expensive.

about the price:
someone said that maybe it's not required to apply CB every day, maybe only twice a week or so.
if that would be the case, then a 5% mixture would perhaps be ok as well, although still expensive.

[joachim]

about the price:
someone said that maybe it's not required to apply CB every day, maybe only twice a week or so.
if that would be the case, then a 5% mixture would perhaps be ok as well, although still expensive.

[joachim]

and now even some members question the efficacy of CB, even say the cosmo results are sugarcoated and so on. could it really be the case? if so, then we should close that storybook and forget about CB.

[joachim]

hmm. for one year there was a lot of discussion about finding the right vehicle. some knowledgeable members said eth/pg and others are not good vehicles for CB because of molecule size etc.
if i remember correctly, even kane tried to develop a nanovehicle for CB but he failed because the mixture was not stable enough. why would there be a need to look for a new vehicle if everything was fine with the standard ones? and why did cosmo use iontophoresis then? why not put the CB in a simple vehicle and give it the trial candidates to rub on their head?
that all doesn't makes sense to me.

and to the guy who tried CB 3 years ago with no success: was it even the right form of CB? somewhere i read that there was some confusion because some people tested it with form 1, but the right one is form 3. what we can get from kane now is the right form 3.

and also, wouldn't desmond have noticed himself if there wasn't any vehicle problems at all? why did we discuss that vehicle topic for so long then?

we need some chemists experts a.s.a.p.