We have a vehicle for CB-03-01: VERSAPRO

[breakbot]

How the hell did you get access to a $2000/month arthritis drug to experiment with for baldness? Lol.

I think he is lying.He tries to push others test this shit.
This drug is way too dangerous.Nobody should listen to these hellouser's crap.
Anything that has to do with the functionality of the immune system could cause serious side effects, with first of all guess what....

[hellouser]

I think he is lying.He tries to push others test this shit.
This drug is way too dangerous.Nobody should listen to these hellouser's crap.
Anything that has to do with the functionality of the immune system could cause serious side effects, with first of all guess what....

Why the hell would I lie about myself being ready to trial Tofacitinib and then say it's stuck in customs? Do you even logic, bro?

The only person lying here is you. I've never pushed for anyone to try anything... you COULD make the argument that I wanted someone to try FGF-9, but that was last year and I never pushed it on anyone. You've easily got me mistaken for that other guy who's obsessed about Adipose Derived Stem Cells (which I don't really care for). Furthermore, if you had read the studies on a topical solution of Tofacitinib, you'd know that the substance was WELL tolerated with minimal adverse effects. Perhaps it would do you good if you did some basic reading? If it was as dangerous as you make it out to be, why is it an FDA approved drug???

How the hell did you get access to a $2000/month arthritis drug to experiment with for baldness? Lol.

Private forum, group buy, black market, shipped from china via Fedex only to get SWIPED by Canada Customs and sent out for lab testing (which pisses me off, I wanna try the damn stuff on AGA seeing how no doctor has bother to do it). Hopefully the stuff gets released, it aint contraband.

The stuff doesn't actually cost THAT much to make. The $2,000 price tag is to cover Pfizer's R&D and clinical trials costs as well as insurance should it ever have unexpected side effects in the future (class action lawsuit)... think Merck and all the limp dicks its created.

[jjo]

All the links from the effects of Tofacitinib sound more promising than anything else. That stuff, if it works, could reverse AGA completely. I even read one guy on *** (or SAGA?) mention it's effects are similar to Replicel's treatment.

hey hell could you post some links so i can read up on this... i'm no well informed on this treatment. thanks

[joachim]

All the links from the effects of Tofacitinib sound more promising than anything else. That stuff, if it works, could reverse AGA completely. I even read one guy on *** (or SAGA?) mention it's effects are similar to Replicel's treatment.

wow... but for how long will you use it? are you expecting to see results within the first weeks? how many months of treatments are you willing to pay for? because if you only thought of using it for one month or so, that wouldn't make sense.

[walrus]

If it was as dangerous as you make it out to be, why is it an FDA approved drug???

[...]black market, shipped from china

Do you trust the Chinese black market with your health? Are you going to get it laboratory tested and verified to know that you are not swallowing rat poison?

[hellouser]

Do you trust the Chinese black market with your health? Are you going to get it laboratory tested and verified to know that you are not swallowing rat poison?

That's a pretty grand assumption. You also seem to dismiss the fact that I clearly stated it'd be a topical solution. Why do you have a problem with people trying out something that could be beneficial to you?

[walrus]

That's a pretty grand assumption.

Is it a grand assumption that a drug obtained through unregulated channels without stringent quality control procedures might not be legitimate?

Why do you have a problem with people trying out something that could be beneficial to you?

Because I am not here to encourage people to engage in potentially dangerous bedroom experiments with drugs for my own personal gain.

[hellouser]

Is it a grand assumption that a drug obtained through unregulated channels without stringent quality control procedures might not be legitimate?

Yes because you know nothing about the source.

Because I am not here to encourage people to engage in potentially dangerous bedroom experiments with drugs for my own personal gain.

Then shut up because *I'M* the one thats close to trialing Tofacitinib so you're input is irrelevant.

[sdsurfin]

Tofacitilinib or however the hell you spell it is not going to cure mpb. If the researchers thought that it was, they would already be making headlines towards that end. They are not officially trialling it for mob because they know it is not the right thing. Multiple sources have stated that they will test it on MPB, but no clinical trials planned. I'm sure they have considered possible benefits for mob vs. side effects cost etc and it is not an option. No one has a conspiracy to only help those with AA. Everyone wants money and recognition, and solving mob would bring both. These are two separate diseases with one related symptom, and though there might be similarities in the pathways, there's no way that a very expensive and potentially risky drug for areata is the answer for the mpb forum members.

that being said, hellouser should feel free to try that shit on his head, i'm curious to see if it has any effect at all, and whatever effect it does or doesn't have might be useful information for researchers to know about.

I have very low expectations of replicel, but I also think that it could be the next decent option we have for maintenance without having to constantly apply expensive shit on the head, which honestly is enough to turn me and most other guys away from treating this annoying condition. I also wonder whether shiseido is opening its facility not just to test replicels approach, but also to prepare for improved cell therapies down the line. my hunch is that that is the case. the future of medicine in general is stem cells and autologous therapies, and my guess is that having such a facility is a step towards that future even if they think replicel isn't all that great. I don't think it matters much to shiseido whether it works well or not, they are a huge corporation, and if they don't use the facility to make replicels hair product, they will use it to make one of the other countless cell therapies being worked on for other parts of the body.

[Kudu]

I really don't get why everyone is jumping on Hellouser all of a sudden. You guys make him sound like he's selling Tofacitilinib yelling "this is the cure!". Whether it's experimental drugs or FDA approved drugs they're still exactly that, drugs. This is a forum on the internet, people can look up just about whatever they want to buy and use. I'm pretty sure a few people discussing what they're trying to help their hair loss isn't going to change that. When I first started lurking on the forum, his RU log was one of the first things I read. Did I immediately go purchase RU and start using it on my head? No, but it did open my eyes and make me think "hey, there might be things out there that could help my situation that is more than a vitamin supplement or a prostate medication".

[pagedo]

I think the conversation is starting to derail. I'll be ordering 1g of CB and will be making a 5% solution out of the vesparo cream which should yield about 20mg.

[petewete]

Anybody here in the Orange County, CA (Southern California) area that might want to go in on some splitsville action for both the CB and the super vehicle VERSAPRO?

[diffuseloser]

Good luck pagedo. Did you see the link I posted earlier about the doubling method? This will be useful to you when you acquire your CB and Versapro. Only very basic apparatus needed. Here it is again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFkcAJBGXek

[diffuseloser]

"Thanks for your contact.
Price for 20g:USD3600
Shipping charge:USD50"

That works out at $180 per gram of CB for a group buy, saving $20 per gram. I was expecting a little better but I'll try to negotiate $3000 for 20g which would work out at $150 each.

[diffuseloser]

40g of CB from Kane is $7000. $175 per gram and that's non negotiable. I tried.