We have a vehicle for CB-03-01: VERSAPRO

[diffuseloser]

Well, I just got a reply from Kane about CB...

"Price for 1g: USD200
Shipping charge: USD50
How many you need?"

At $200 a gram, this just isn't feasible. If we're going to be using a stronger concentration of CB, we'll be out a small fortune.

[diffuseloser]

I'll be the first to admit, I jumped the gun on this. It's easy to get excited about good news particularly when we don't get it very often. That's what's good about this forum. We need everyone's input and opinion and often we can save ourselves a lot of trouble. Nobody else is gonna help us. We have to help ourselves. I'm gonna sit tight on this one. For you guys that can afford to spend this kind of money on 1 gram of CB, have at it and hope it works out. It's just unrealistic for me right now as I'm in the middle of buying a house.

[Kudu]

So basically we all had tunnel vision about finding an "effective vehicle" even though we weren't sure if that was the problem? What I'm trying to figure out is how this hasn't been brought up before. Now dosage could be an issue and the price most certainly is. I assumed that the vehicle was the issue because we were all trying to find one, I guess a whole lot of other people assumed the same thing. How long have we been trying to find a vehicle? At least a year and a half and I'm sure longer. I'm still not giving up hope yet, but this is discouraging. We never know until we try it out I guess, what if it works?

[brocktherock]

So basically we all had tunnel vision about finding an "effective vehicle" even though we weren't sure if that was the problem? What I'm trying to figure out is how this hasn't been brought up before. Now dosage could be an issue and the price most certainly is. I assumed that the vehicle was the issue because we were all trying to find one, I guess a whole lot of other people assumed the same thing. How long have we been trying to find a vehicle? At least a year and a half and I'm sure longer. I'm still not giving up hope yet, but this is discouraging. We never know until we try it out I guess, what if it works?

Maybe, but 2% in the scalp would be better than 5% that can't effectively penetrate. Des has been after this for a while and he's a reliable source. Even if CB isn't the most practical way, we can still use this vehicle for RU or Fin. We have options now and if we can improve upon fin results then we can essentially be cured as long as your hair loss is not too far advanced.

[diffuseloser]

I assumed the vehicle was the problem also. All of us did. It's news to me that the concentration may have been the issue and not the vehicle. As you say, we won't know until we try it. Personally, I won't be able to do that right now due to the high cost of CB, so it's back on the RU for me until there is clarity on the CB issues.

[ryan82]

I really dont think that 1-2% CB will work. Maybe 5-8%. But the are cost so high.

Will RU work with Versapro ?

[Kudu]

I assumed the vehicle was the problem also. All of us did. It's news to me that the concentration may have been the issue and not the vehicle. As you say, we won't know until we try it. Personally, I won't be able to do that right now due to the high cost of CB, so it's back on the RU for me until there is clarity on the CB issues.

Why is it so expensive? Is it complicated to produce or are we being screwed? I'm still not convinced that penetration isn't part of the problem. Iontophoresis/CB produced results, granted it's direct penetration to the dermal layer but generally you use a much lower concentration than with a chemical vehicle. I read a journal article about topical steroids and penetration issues a few weeks ago, I'll try to find it. If Ethanol/PG, DMSO, or whatever gave only mediocre penetration and Versapro turns out to be excellent, I think we will see results. We need to find an affordable way to get this, if possible.

[Kudu]

Will RU work with Versapro ?

Most likely. It might actually work quite well but you may get systemic side effects.

[diffuseloser]

I have no idea mate. It can't be that expensive to produce. I think we're being screwed, as usual. Because it's hard to obtain, they can pretty much charge what they like. I can't justify paying $250 for one gram of CB. If we knew it worked, and how to use it effectively, I wouldn't have an issue paying out for it. It's simply not worth it right now. You can get 5x as much RU for the same price, maybe more. We're still clutching at straws. I advise everyone to proceed with caution. It's good news yes, but it needs more investigation before we jump in head first. The cost of CB is ridiculous right now. Until it becomes reasonably priced, I won't be testing it.

[diffuseloser]

I would, however, really love to know if this works. Would it be possible for each of us to chip in say $10/$20 each and buy a few grams of CB and Versapro for a trustworthy forum member to trial and and log? Hellouser perhaps?

[ryan82]

i think that everybody thinks this is the cure.. But it is a anti androgen. So it will only prevent hairloss. Not regrowth. And RU is powerful enough and do the work like CB. First at all i was very happy with this news, but now i think this is not so different then RU. And the price is 2x better

I see Hellhouser pictures. There you can see almost no regrowth. Only the hair that he haves is now thicker because DHT is limited.

We have to wait for hair cloning. That will be the cure.. (I HOPE)

[hairbackpls]

I would, however, really love to know if this works. Would it be possible for each of us to chip in say $10/$20 each and buy a few grams of CB and Versapro for a trustworthy forum member to trial and and log? Hellouser perhaps?

+1. Im in if someone gets it arranged

[diffuseloser]

Okay well let's see what Hellouser has to say first. I don't mean to suggest you are a guinea pig Hellouser, so please don't take offense! It's just that if anyone can be trusted to do this right and keep an accurate log, you're the first person that comes to mind.

[diffuseloser]

Okay well let's see what Hellouser has to say first. I don't mean to suggest you are a guinea pig Hellouser, so please don't take offense! It's just that if anyone can be trusted to do this right and keep an accurate log, you're the first person that comes to mind. It's entirely up to you though.

[ank1]

Can anybody suggest me where I should buy RU from? I've decided to go for RU until others show how CB does. What options so I have options apart from the Kane shop? Iron dragon? I haven't tried any grey market products so far and am not very aware of whats going on there. Which site would you recommend?