Rate of Technological Advancements

[hellouser]

That shitty laser helmet company used Indiegogo, got almost half a million from it - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/t...e-laser-helmet

I think you folks should figure out where the money would go if you could raise it. Dr. Xu is an option but you may very well give him millions of dollars and all he might say is that he's now a step closer than before. Shoot him off an email and see what he says, Cotsarelis is an option too. It wouldn't be a bad idea to create some sort of Histogen rescue foundation, they have a proven product that's ready to go, and for that reason, it might be a hell of a lot easier to do.

If you can get some sort of promise from someone and you post it on the site, then at least people will know where the money is going and what the objective of the whole foundation is for.

We'd need to pitch them the project, and the only way they'd take us seriously is if we had something to show them with COMPLETE strategies, concepts, videos, etc. on how we'd execute the project. Sending an email with a promise isn't going to convince them at all.

[HairIsLife]

We'd need to pitch them the project, and the only way they'd take us seriously is if we had something to show them with COMPLETE strategies, concepts, videos, etc. on how we'd execute the project. Sending an email with a promise isn't going to convince them at all.

I'm saying we should send off emails to potential candidates to see if they're even interested in the first place. Dr. Xu already confirmed he needs a few million to further his research, but AFAIK, his university still hasn't been able to accept crowd funding and that's quite a big roadblock. Once someone says that they can accept funding and that they would need x amount of money to get something done, then I would go all in. I'd hate to see you guys do all this work only to have no one to give the funds to. Not to mention, only a couple of smaller groups are struggling with funding, most of the major groups don't even need it.

[hellouser]

I'm saying we should send off emails to potential candidates to see if they're even interested in the first place. Dr. Xu already confirmed he needs a few million to further his research, but AFAIK, his university still hasn't been able to accept crowd funding and that's quite a big roadblock. Once someone says that they can accept funding and that they would need x amount of money to get something done, then I would go all in. I'd hate to see you guys do all this work only to have no one to give the funds to. Not to mention, only a couple of smaller groups are struggling with funding, most of the major groups don't even need it.

They won't respond. If they do, it won't be a serious response either. A random email always gets tossed aside. I had this problem with even simple requests on Desmond's behalf just to have him meet with the researchers at this past hair congress. A huge project like this without anything to show for will get ignored. It needs some kind of backing... and a website with it to boot will help. Choosing one research team will limit the potential of us having to fund another will suck, which is why I'd rather leave it open and have the teams fight for it. Just relying on ONE team essentially gives them the comfort of knowing they get funds. To hell with that though... I want them to actually WORK for it not just take their sweet effing time for '5 years' on end... If I hear '5 years' from anyone once more i'm going to f***ing vomit.

[HairIsLife]

They won't respond. If they do, it won't be a serious response either. A random email always gets tossed aside. I had this problem with even simple requests on Desmond's behalf just to have him meet with the researchers at this past hair congress. A huge project like this without anything to show for will get ignored. It needs some kind of backing... and a website with it to boot will help. Choosing one research team will limit the potential of us having to fund another will suck, which is why I'd rather leave it open and have the teams fight for it. Just relying on ONE team essentially gives them the comfort of knowing they get funds. To hell with that though... I want them to actually WORK for it not just take their sweet effing time for '5 years' on end... If I hear '5 years' from anyone once more i'm going to f***ing vomit.

I really appreciate everything you've done for the hair loss community but I just don't think we're ever going to be heard. It's a multi billion dollar industry, it would likely double, triple, maybe even more if a cure came out. The researchers are aware of what's waiting for them at the finish line, I mean, why else would they be doing this ? Look at RepliCels CEO David Hall, full mop of hair and he's what ? In his 50's ? Only a handful of people are doing it out of the kindness of their heart, the rest just want to cash in on the industry. If you can make a few billion dollars and put it on a stick and have them chase it, all the power to you, but I just don't see it happening. What's funny is that the hair loss industry is a multi billion dollar industry and only like 7% of men treat their hair loss. Think about how much more money the industry would make if there was an actual cure. It would be an enormous amount of money, that's why guys with full heads of hair are pursuing the industry, they know what they can make out of it. There's men out there that would sell everything they have, take out a second mortgage on their house etc. just to have their hair back. Trying to tease leading researchers with a few million won't accomplish much, if anything. That's the truth.

[hellouser]

I really appreciate everything you've done for the hair loss community but I just don't think we're ever going to be heard. It's a multi billion dollar industry, it would likely double, triple, maybe even more if a cure came out. The researchers are aware of what's waiting for them at the finish line, I mean, why else would they be doing this ?

There hasn't been much work done on hair at all in reality. Stem cells in follicles were discovered 44 years ago. That's 44 years of incompetence. Only a handful of teams are actually working on a solution and out of those only a handful actually realize the potential of a cure/treatment. Don't underestimate the stupidity of people. They're really clueless. I wouldnt expect some researcher to have much knowledge about the business/industry.

Trying to tease leading researchers with a few million won't accomplish much, if anything. That's the truth.

That's where you're wrong because there's no certainty to what you're saying. What I'm saying is, the money CAN be raised quite easily... what happens after though is up to research teams to actually have us do something with it if they quit f***ing around with mouse models or some other shit. I'm tired of hearing them talk all the time... it's time for RESULTS.

[whateva]

Shut up

[HairIsLife]

There hasn't been much work done on hair at all in reality. Stem cells in follicles were discovered 44 years ago. That's 44 years of incompetence. Only a handful of teams are actually working on a solution and out of those only a handful actually realize the potential of a cure/treatment. Don't underestimate the stupidity of people. They're really clueless. I wouldnt expect some researcher to have much knowledge about the business/industry.

There hasn't been any progress made in any industry, look at breast cancer, it gets millions of dollars thrown at it every year and nothing ever comes from it. Sometimes I really believe the people who say that there won't ever be a cure for anything, it's just not profitable.

That's where you're wrong because there's no certainty to what you're saying. What I'm saying is, the money CAN be raised quite easily... what happens after though is up to research teams to actually have us do something with it if they quit f***ing around with mouse models or some other shit. I'm tired of hearing them talk all the time... it's time for RESULTS.

I doubt it can be made easily, it took a few weeks just to get some money together for Desmond to go to Korea, and that was only $2000 and we knew what we were getting for our money. This fundraising campaign targets a really small market. Like I mentioned, only 7% of men choose to treat their hair loss. You're out of your mind if you think that website is going to rake in huge amounts of cash from 7% of men who have no idea where their money is going. There's a reason why this hasn't been done before; it won't work. You're better off selling laser helmets for profit and taking that extra money and putting it towards the fundraiser.

[DrakeDuck]

Better to get in bed with an established organization and fund a grant. We set the rules. Top donors get to be the guinea pig. Going at this alone is like pissing in the wind. You can do it but you're going to look goofy.

That's what I think too. The top donors should be rewarded somehow. Maybe they get first dibs. Are the views on these forums accurate? If so this thread has over 4,300 views. That many people are curious enough about this conversation alone! I don't think it would be difficult to get a large following.

[hellouser]

I doubt it can be made easily, it took a few weeks just to get some money together for Desmond to go to Korea, and that was only $2000 and we knew what we were getting for our money. This fundraising campaign targets a really small market. Like I mentioned, only 7% of men choose to treat their hair loss. You're out of your mind if you think that website is going to rake in huge amounts of cash from 7% of men who have no idea where their money is going. There's a reason why this hasn't been done before; it won't work. You're better off selling laser helmets for profit and taking that extra money and putting it towards the fundraiser.

It's 7% because society doesn't want men to care about their hair, theres no respect for men's health. The other problem is that hair loss treatments are SHIT. Only TWO products work. You give men a third and superior option and that 7% figure will skyrocket. You combine the humiliation of treating hair loss, keeping men ignorant of real options and limiting those options to two pathetic products is the reason why its only t 7%. This has nothing to do with what a crowdfunding project is incapable but rather all the more reasons why it SHOULD work given the massive potential success.

[stan]

Hairislife
Brother whatever you are saying sounds like nothing but some armchair philosphy with a little bit of reasoning. You cant easily generalise behaviour pattern like this. Its always good to be a bit skeptical but whatever you are doing isnt really helping anyone. Its been never done before right? Well if you ll never try you ll never know(damn coldplay!). Please dont hold such a myopic vision, the people at *** are also aware that its going to be slow, that site was an adhoc thing dude!! They ll make a better site and logo etc. It may not work as well and you can come back saying told you so, but until then please show your support for the few proactive members that are out there, there arent many people willing to commit long term, TRUST ME! Dont shun them, in fact as you mentioned you can setup a site etc, go over there and try to help them if you ve got some spare time. I wish you all the luck in life. good day!

PS- Sorry if few of my sentences were offensive.

[HairIsLife]

It's 7% because society doesn't want men to care about their hair, theres no respect for men's health. The other problem is that hair loss treatments are SHIT. Only TWO products work. You give men a third and superior option and that 7% figure will skyrocket. You combine the humiliation of treating hair loss, keeping men ignorant of real options and limiting those options to two pathetic products is the reason why its only t 7%. This has nothing to do with what a crowdfunding project is incapable but rather all the more reasons why it SHOULD work given the massive potential success.

So what's your objective ? What exactly do you want to happen from this foundation ?

[brocktherock]

They're clearly going after the cure pretty hard. Don't be one of those people complaining about "These stupid scientists" or "how easy it is". There is a market for any kind of cosmetic surgery. I know a ton of people that'd give their left nut for a cure. I agree with having a website for awareness but crowdfunding is a bad idea. If they had anything solid there is money for the taking out there. Hellouser, sometimes you are very positive and proactive and the other 80% of the time you are borderlined troll status. Let's remain positive so we don't keep scaring away important figures

[sdsurfin]

There hasn't been much work done on hair at all in reality. Stem cells in follicles were discovered 44 years ago. That's 44 years of incompetence. Only a handful of teams are actually working on a solution and out of those only a handful actually realize the potential of a cure/treatment. Don't underestimate the stupidity of people. They're really clueless. I wouldnt expect some researcher to have much knowledge about the business/industry.



That's where you're wrong because there's no certainty to what you're saying. What I'm saying is, the money CAN be raised quite easily... what happens after though is up to research teams to actually have us do something with it if they quit f***ing around with mouse models or some other shit. I'm tired of hearing them talk all the time... it's time for RESULTS.

I think setting up a website and foundation is a good idea. You have to start somewhere. It's only a matter of time before we can identify a research group that has set goals and the ability to accept money. Even university teams are very short on cash, funding for science and medicine is not huge, despite what people on here may believe. Most of the money in the world does not go towards anything productive. Consider the fact that something like 60 percent of MIT grads go into working in finance. It's not that researchers are incompetent, it's that the capitalist machine does not value medical innovation unless it makes lots of money for someone. Even though it might seem like a baldness treatment is a huge cash cow, it really isn't. By the time most men go bald they could care less about treating it. I still think a good cure/treatment will be lucrative, but the basic fact is that no one has come up with anything close, and thats cause its a complicated genetic condition. its basically like trying to cure aging, and the mere idea that they are getting closer to replicating follicles is pretty insane.

i say go ahead wight he foundation and the crowd funding, stop bickering over specifics- it will take whatever form it needs to over time, you can't pre-plan everything. and don't go forward with the attitude that researchers are incompetent, you will make no allies that way. you need them on your side, and you need to prove you are mature and capable and compassionate human beings. someone like hello user, who is clearly mentally not well adjusted or even sane by my definition, is not the kind of person to head this up. I'm sure he's a good guy, and i feel for him, but he has admitted that he stopped doing physical exercise, socializing etc. those are way bugger issues than the actual loss of hair. no researcher or institution or even sane money donor is going to want to deal with people that sound like whiny babies. i personally don't care enough about my hair loss to spend my time on hair projects, but i say if you guys care so much then why not do this? seems like a great idea. just look at that spencer dude, he managed to set up a lot on his own, and he doesn't do much of anything productive with his whole business.

[hairlosskills]

Its crazy how scientists miraculousy created a vaccine for ebola out of thin air in an extremely small amount of time, due to the serioussness of ebola.
This alone shows that with enough attention towards the serious impacts that balding comes with, there would have been a cure by now.

[awesome0]

The guy was going to die in a matter of hours. So they had an experimental treatment (cultivated in mice blood) they sent. They were warned the experimental drug could kill him. Then a lawyer were ordered them not to give it him. The doctors thought what the hell he's dying anyways and gave it to him. Worse case scenario the drug kills him before ebola, which was going to kill him in a couple of days given his symptoms. The risk of side effects in that case were minimal because worse case scenario he dies.

If we don't get a baldness cure we go bald. Compare that to the risks of side effects....

Apples and oranges my friend.