low systemic absorption technology

[thechamp]

Has any body been able to contact these people ??

[balding1983]

I emailed them but still no reply.

[FearTheLoss]

unfortunately not.

[thechamp]

How many companies have this technology ? Email all of them ??

[NeedHairASAP]

Waste of Space

Guys....

please don't post on this thread unless it's a list of companies/doctors/baldness/health sector investors or related......

Once we have a list together....

-- then we nominate one person to email the list

-- Then he, or we, create an email draft we can send and re-send...SUBJECT: Amazing Opportunity for ____________

-- Then the nominated user will email said email template to everyone on the list, and correspond accordingly


The bottom line:

1. This company wants a knowledgeable partner in the sector-- not to get emails from a bunch of random baldness forum crazies.. they aren't going to hire a bunch of baldness experts and overhead to change their model (licensing the tech they made)

2. Since the above is true, we need to get "knowledgable" potential partners to call the LSE company

3. Since the above is true, the only thing we can do is to create a list of companies or people who could license this, and nominate a person (who isn't crazy) to email the list about the opportunity


If the above isn't initiated, then this thread is just a bunch of useless 1s and 0s

[Arashi]

Is anyone in contact with Hasson & Wong ? I think they have a topical fin, they should contact those guys.

[sdsurfin]

Is anyone in contact with Hasson & Wong ? I think they have a topical fin, they should contact those guys.

Second this. H and W seem to be progressive and they might be able to convince their pharmacy to look further into this. It doesn't seem like anyone is having luck contacting the companies directly. Especially those who are clients of Hasson or who have been in touch with spencer before should get these people to look into this. Even spencer has a lot to gain from this technology, there's no way that propecia isn't harming even those who get no or minimal sides. i really think that in 5 yrs we will have more options, but that's a long time.

[thechamp]

How many companies do this sort have technology? And how many you guys contacted ??

[Jasari]

Second this. H and W seem to be progressive and they might be able to convince their pharmacy to look further into this. It doesn't seem like anyone is having luck contacting the companies directly. Especially those who are clients of Hasson or who have been in touch with spencer before should get these people to look into this. Even spencer has a lot to gain from this technology, there's no way that propecia isn't harming even those who get no or minimal sides. i really think that in 5 yrs we will have more options, but that's a long time.

Is there any indication on whether it [potentially] makes fin more effective? I know there are many people in my boat who have been on fin for years & it does jack all. Not even maintenance.

[burtandernie]

Im surprised Merk is not working on something with this or something else for MPB. Maybe a topical finasteride formulation just to get a new patent on the chemical. I promise you if propecia made more money they would have made something else after propecia whether a reformulation, dutasteride or something. The fact they havent touched it after the patent went off shows they are not super happy with sales on it.
Really its pretty surprising we are here 20 odd years after propecia with not a single topical formulation that works with any drug so far. There was fin,dut,ru,cb, ascj 9, and others like topical spiro. Not really one viable tested topical yet

[stan]

Is there any indication on whether it [potentially] makes fin more effective? I know there are many people in my boat who have been on fin for years & it does jack all. Not even maintenance.

hi
did you get sides? are you using min? wat was your NW and age whn you started fin?

sorry for digressing.

[Jasari]

hi
did you get sides? are you using min? wat was your NW and age whn you started fin?

sorry for digressing.

Started at Norwood 2 and started min & fin age 21. Would be around Norwood 5 now [If I hadn't had transplants] age 27. It's progressed slowly from front to back around a norwood scale every 2 years [The shedding starts on cue every spring].

Sides: Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps the minox has created some dark circles under my eyes. I've pretty much exhausted everything I can do to treat MPB though so I'll probably drop all the treatments [Which are pretty useless] next year. Just kind of trying to bridge in the hope something comes out, but it doesn't look likely tbh.

I also have zero family history of hair loss at all 3 grandparents deep on both sides. Something like this would be great BUT… if it only 'allows' people to take fin, I doubt they will be too impressed with the results. If it enhances it however, that's another story all together.

[inbrugge]

Reason why oral fin might not be effective for all people is because...

as far as i understand...

your body produces overall dht. in addition, dht is also produced locally in certain places. in this case, your scalp.

so, oral and systematic fin might be reducing your overall dht produced by body, but that might not translate at a efficient enough rate of reduced scalp dht as well.

however, topical fin (if absorbed properly) will be directly reducing scalp dht which is what's really more important for hair loss.

so in short (again afaik from what i've read on these forums)...

oral attempts to reduce dht overall and, thus, indirectly reduce scalp dht, whereas, topical fin directly reduces scalp dht.

[balding1983]

Started at Norwood 2 and started min & fin age 21. Would be around Norwood 5 now [If I hadn't had transplants] age 27. It's progressed slowly from front to back around a norwood scale every 2 years [The shedding starts on cue every spring].

Sides: Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps the minox has created some dark circles under my eyes. I've pretty much exhausted everything I can do to treat MPB though so I'll probably drop all the treatments [Which are pretty useless] next year. Just kind of trying to bridge in the hope something comes out, but it doesn't look likely tbh.

I also have zero family history of hair loss at all 3 grandparents deep on both sides. Something like this would be great BUT… if it only 'allows' people to take fin, I doubt they will be too impressed with the results. If it enhances it however, that's another story all together.

I'm really sorry to hear that.
Oral Finasteride only reduces about 60-70% of total DHT in the blood and even less of DHT in the scalp. Theoretically, a topical Finasteride should work better if there is a way of making it well and stay in the scalp.

Out of interest, which brand of finasteride did you use or have you used several in the past?

[Jasari]

I'm really sorry to hear that.
Oral Finasteride only reduces about 60-70% of total DHT in the blood and even less of DHT in the scalp. Theoretically, a topical Finasteride should work better if there is a way of making it well and stay in the scalp.

Out of interest, which brand of finasteride did you use or have you used several in the past?

I went with Merck for a few years then switched it up to Dr. Reddy's brand. Honestly, I haven't noticed any sides.

Not to derail the thread, but I've always wondered whether there was more too it than DHT. I suffer from pretty bad seasonal allergies & it's no surprise that my shedding happens around spring each year [And thickens somewhat over winter].

Alternatively I've taken supplements in the past which have significantly increased DHT levels and had zero change to my hair-loss.

In any case, it's clearly a complex issue.