Lets Get CB-03-01 DONE. We are SO close.

[Desmond84]

Hey guys. I'll be posting later this weekend but thought I'll let you know now. I found the right vehicle for CB. It is super cheap (~$20/100g) and available in Australia, US and most probably Canada. I double checked it with a formulation expert and got the tick of approval

It was all by chance. Will post details when I get back on Sunday.

Consider this problem solved.

[sdsurfin]

Hey guys. I'll be posting later this weekend but thought I'll let you know now. I found the right vehicle for CB. It is super cheap (~$20/100g) and available in Australia, US and most probably Canada. I double checked it with a formulation expert and got the tick of approval

It was all by chance. Will post details when I get back on Sunday.

Consider this problem solved.

Haha another ridiculously positive forward looking statement. Hope you're right buddy.

[LMS]

Haha another ridiculously positive forward looking statement. Hope you're right buddy.

Haha this, for our sake I hope you're right Desmond... I hope you're right.

[LMS]

Hey guys. I'll be posting later this weekend but thought I'll let you know now. I found the right vehicle for CB. It is super cheap (~$20/100g) and available in Australia, US and most probably Canada. I double checked it with a formulation expert and got the tick of approval

It was all by chance. Will post details when I get back on Sunday.

Consider this problem solved.

triazolone based vehicle?

[JD59]

Hey guys. I'll be posting later this weekend but thought I'll let you know now. I found the right vehicle for CB. It is super cheap (~$20/100g) and available in Australia, US and most probably Canada. I double checked it with a formulation expert and got the tick of approval

It was all by chance. Will post details when I get back on Sunday.

Consider this problem solved.

Are you saying that you have a vehicle and a way we could use this starting soon? Also, where would we go about even buying CB and this vehicle? Last, what evidence do you have that what you are saying will actually work? I don't doubt CB works, just curious how you know the way you are saying doing this will work.

PS: Also, when I post this, I am not arguing against you at all. You have been an extremely helpful person on these boards. I am just curious is all.

PPS: Would you suggest we drop the finasteride finally and start this stuff after you reveal what you have? I have never started finasteride because when I did a month ago I got side effects I think. I do minoxidil now, but am considering trying finasteride again the way you described to do it (.25mg every 3.5 days). However, if you are saying this is ready to go, I may just hold off and give this a shot instead . Or, would you just suggest someone like me just use minoxidil? I only been using it for about a month.

[sdsurfin]

Are you saying that you have a vehicle and a way we could use this starting soon? Also, where would we go about even buying CB and this vehicle? Last, what evidence do you have that what you are saying will actually work? I don't doubt CB works, just curious how you know the way you are saying doing this will work.

PS: Also, when I post this, I am not arguing against you at all. You have been an extremely helpful person on these boards. I am just curious is all.

PPS: Would you suggest we drop the finasteride finally and start this stuff after you reveal what you have? I have never started finasteride because when I did a month ago I got side effects I think. I do minoxidil now, but am considering trying finasteride again the way you described to do it (.25mg every 3.5 days). However, if you are saying this is ready to go, I may just hold off and give this a shot instead . Or, would you just suggest someone like me just use minoxidil? I only been using it for about a month.

You can't possibly get these answers. No one knows if CB works, not even the people developing it. it's still in trials. also if desmond hasn't tried the vehicle already with success, then he can't know if it works either. he's a great forum poster with a good attitude, but CB is still going to be way too expensive to buy on the black market all the time at the concentrations you need. I talked to cosmo a while back and they said their acne version is way too dilute for use with MPB, and they are trying higher concentrations for hair loss. In order to get those amounts you'd be spending a fortune on CB, which has not yet been proven safe or effective by anybody. will still be interesting to see people guinea pig this stuff though. might give some hope for the actual product.

[inbrugge]

Guys, I haven't been able to visit here recently. Desmond's update is a great one, but I believe we should still pursue iontophoresis devices. The more alternatives we have, the better. Galvanic devices still have great potential, and here we have good momentum to start something. If we get something out of here, it could lead to advancements for all existent treatments.

[petewete]

You can't possibly get these answers. No one knows if CB works, not even the people developing it. it's still in trials. also if desmond hasn't tried the vehicle already with success, then he can't know if it works either. he's a great forum poster with a good attitude, but CB is still going to be way too expensive to buy on the black market all the time at the concentrations you need. I talked to cosmo a while back and they said their acne version is way too dilute for use with MPB, and they are trying higher concentrations for hair loss. In order to get those amounts you'd be spending a fortune on CB, which has not yet been proven safe or effective by anybody. will still be interesting to see people guinea pig this stuff though. might give some hope for the actual product.

Everybody knows about the hurdles and difficulties. Yes it may be relatively expensive but its not IMPOSSIBLE to afford. Neither is it IMPOSSIBLE to find the right dosage if all of us try together. Lets try to keep a positive attitude.

[inbrugge]

Kudu, Phatalis, and all others interested.

I think we should still continue to look into iontophoresis. Yes, Desmond's discoveries are really amazing. If people get on this and take responsibility to track their progress with photos, by new years we could tell if it provides any positive results like it did on the Cosmo trial.

However, the more alternatives we have the better. I still believe iontophoresis is a strong tool for enhancing all other existing treatments. Even if we solve the vehicle problem of CB through Desmond's or some other means, it doesn't mean we can't use iontophoresis to improve minoxidil/spiro/fin/etc delivery. If CB works great to halt hair loss, we still might need to deliver growth factors and ionto could be very useful for that.

I will post some articles that I have found here. Hopefully, we can all look through them and find some ideas.

Also, I believe we should focus on the more feasible devices that are around 300$. Even if we had success with the device costing 10,000's of dollars, it wouldn't make that big of a difference for the average user. Whereas with the former option, most people could afford such a machine for their homes, and its usage is not that complicated.

Maybe, we should continue this discussion in a separate topic "Let's get Iontophoresis done" since CB seems to be solved for now.

General info on Iontophoresis.

http://www.electrotherapy.org/modality/iontophoresis

Iontophoresis, applying minoxidil to scalp, direct current

http://www.google.com/patents/US5195953

Method for stimulating hair growth with cationic derivative of minoxidil using therapeutic iontophoresis

http://www.google.com/patents/US5466695

http://www.google.com/patents/US5466695

Iontophoresis-targeted, follicular delivery of minoxidil sulfate for the treatment of alopecia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23450524

Iontophoretic Transdermal Delivery of Finasteride in Vesicular Invasomal Carriers

http://www.eurekaselect.com/107745/article

Development of a portable iontophoretic drug delivery device with in-vitro experiments for androgeneticalopecia treatment

http://pjms.com.pk/index.php/pjms/article/viewFile/1684/406

Topical delivery of active principles: The field of dermatological research

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9sh763nc

Design and Implementation of Iontophoresis Multiple Flexible Sensors for Treatment of Hair Loss

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-94-007-5076-0_66#page-1

THE USE OF ACETIC ACID IONTOPHORESIS IN THE MANAGEMENT OF A SOFT TISSUE INJURY

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3096143/#B15

Iontophoresis: Applications in Transdermal Medication Delivery

http://physther.net/content/75/6/554.full.pdf

Transdermal Administration of Anti-Inflammatory Medications in Sports Injuries: Use of Iontophoresis and Phonophoresis to Enhance Delivery

http://www.thehealthychoice.net/PDF/IJPCTransdermal.pdf

Enhanced transfollicular delivery of adriamycin with a liposome and iontophoresis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15009101

Cosmo reports exciting results in P.O.C. alopecia study

http://www.cosmopharmaceuticals.com/news/press/pr2010/2010-10-06.aspx

VITAMIN C IONTOPHORESIS

http://stamfordskin.com/en/treatments/vitamin-iontophoresis-2.html

[Pelopeleon]

I have looked in some spanish websites, and you cand find some second hand-used machines for iontophoresis. Some of them cost between 60-200 euros (77-381 dolars, but probably cheaper). Maybe in USA, Uk, France, Germany and other countries you can get a used machine too... So, what do you need more, I mean, if you have the machine and some CB purchased on internet?

[lilpauly]

cosmo is using 5% appl;ied 2x a day.

[pagedo]

cosmo is using 5% appl;ied 2x a day.

Can you source where they stated that they would be applying CB twice a day? and where they said that it was going to tested as a "gel"?

Thanks

[cichlidfort]

I have looked in some spanish websites, and you cand find some second hand-used machines for iontophoresis. Some of them cost between 60-200 euros (77-381 dolars, but probably cheaper). Maybe in USA, Uk, France, Germany and other countries you can get a used machine too... So, what do you need more, I mean, if you have the machine and some CB purchased on internet?

Lol this sounds ridiculous and a disaster waiting to happen. 99% of the people on here won't know what the hell they are doing with this and who knows the short and long term risks.

[cichlidfort]

cosmo is using 5% appl;ied 2x a day.

We need pictures to prove results are real. I see so much talk about CB but nothing to show for.

[lilpauly]

Can you source where they stated that they would be applying CB twice a day? and where they said that it was going to tested as a "gel"?

Thanks

yes man i will have to find the post , i emailed them way back,